The BBC

[Rev]

15 minutes ago, bcnram said:

Left wing propaganda blog clap trap init? Nothing to take seriously. 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38666914

The official BBC reporting of the same interview.

 

 

[StringerBell]

I won't pay them, despite claims BBC impartiality which I don't believe. I'm not saying they're always left leaning, but they're not impartial. Me and the Beeb were don't when they sacked 2 guys for being white men.

If you want impartiality do what the kids are doing and go onto YouTube and subscribe to Phillip de Franco. In 20 years there'll be no telly as we know it because the people who watch it will all have dementia or be dead. The young, hip Channel 4 that gave us The Word now has an average viewer age of 55. E4 is 42. BBC1 - 62. TV is dying.

 

[McRainy]

41 minutes ago, bcnram said:

Left wing propaganda blog clap trap init? Nothing to take seriously. 

What an impartial observation. 

[Uptherams]

5 hours ago, eddie said:

With the exception of Estonia, Britain's inflation rate is now the highest in Europe. Your fault, Brexiter City fans - own it.

Inflation isn't just caused by Brexit. Otherwise no other nation would have inflation. Saying we have higher inflation beating nations by 0.1 and 0.2 isn't a winning argument. We were meant to fall off a cliff and it doesn't address the other points either. I guess you are just one of those wrist slashers you so often go on about. #sunnydelight 

[Uptherams]

5 hours ago, GboroRam said:

Arè you guaranteeing success then?

I'll remind you - nothing has happened other than the initial discussions.

Nope. As I said pre referendum Brexit is an opportunity. You can remind all you like me. I actually know and knew what the worst post Brexit could look like. f**k project fear. 

 

[Uptherams]

29 minutes ago, StringerBell said:

I won't pay them, despite claims BBC impartiality which I don't believe. I'm not saying they're always left leaning, but they're not impartial. Me and the Beeb were don't when they sacked 2 guys for being white men.

If you want impartiality do what the kids are doing and go onto YouTube and subscribe to Phillip de Franco. In 20 years there'll be no telly as we know it because the people who watch it will all have dementia or be dead. The young, hip Channel 4 that gave us The Word now has an average viewer age of 55. E4 is 42. BBC1 - 62. TV is dying.

 

I have to disagree. That guy is alright but still a pussy. Plus you still only get a fraction of the facts. Seems like he is trying to ease his audience and himself into it. Or in other words thanks YouTube for the platform for free speech and f**k you for your cencorship. 

[R@M]

1 hour ago, Lambchop said:

Apart from when it is, by its own admission, making it up. 

http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/the-laura-kuenssberg-fake-news.html?m=1

This is in footballing terms, akin to asking a Forest fan  to objectively report on someone that called Andy Reid out of shape.

[Albert]

8 hours ago, Uptherams said:

It is causing problems. Even Comrade Corbyn can see it surpresses wages. Do big businesses want reports they fund and conduct saying mass immigration surpresses wages or do they want cheap labour? Do left wing politicians want reports that counter their ideology? 

Our football club uses demand based pricing. It's an easy example to use. 

I find the whole job losses arguement outrageous really. If anything it's job creation that would be hit. Let's just hypothetically say 500,000 less over a 5 year period when we leave. The painfully obvious solution is you decrease immigration. 

The economic analysis of Brexit was shocking. With everyday that passes that cliff edge get's pushed back. Most of our trade has nothing to do with the EU. Our exports to the EU are half what we import. We currently pay a membership fee that is higher than the cost of tarrifs if we don't agree a free trade deal in the short term. The common external tarrif inflates the prices of goods in the UK. Project fear was garbage and will soon be dead. 

Except the UK does have a say in immigration now, and ironically may well have less say if they stay in the common market. Equally, immigration isn't just a "because of the EU" thing. 

Again, you can either listen to literally anyone who has some kind of education in the field about the economics of Brexit, or make up your own nonsense, it seems you've made your choice. 

[StringerBell]

9 hours ago, Uptherams said:

I have to disagree. That guy is alright but still a pussy. Plus you still only get a fraction of the facts. Seems like he is trying to ease his audience and himself into it. Or in other words thanks YouTube for the platform for free speech and f**k you for your cencorship. 

Pussy? Bit harsh.

[Uptherams]

7 hours ago, Albert said:

Except the UK does have a say in immigration now, and ironically may well have less say if they stay in the common market. Equally, immigration isn't just a "because of the EU" thing. 

Again, you can either listen to literally anyone who has some kind of education in the field about the economics of Brexit, or make up your own nonsense, it seems you've made your choice. 

When an analysis misses key variables it becomes meaningless. The pound falling in value has already had a huge impact. It's cheaper to export now. This fall goes a long way to offsetting any potential threat from a no deal scenario and thus world trade organisation tarriffs. To the point where for manufacturers, particularly car manufacturers, their goods will be cheaper to overseas buyers in the EU than pre referendum. But this misses one crucial aspect, the rest of the world. Where it is significantly cheaper to buy our manufactured goods. Hence announcements from the likes of Rolls Royce and Jaguar Land Rover. 

The three biggest points of contention were the car industry, farming and the city. Farming exports are low but a no deal isn't good for them at all due to high tarrifs. But government ministers have already begun talking about helping them tap into other markets more, selling as premium. The last being the city. Clearing isn't leaving the UK and London will remain the financial capital of the world because the EU is bad for business as far as they are concerned. With proposals such as a financial transaction tax. 

You seem to think all economists support project fear. Most did not even get involved in the debate because of its very nature. Politics. Instead of relying on the MSM to give you your info you should seek it out. It pushed this narrative and conflated it's size. There were as many prominent economists who decided to enter the debate who supported Brexit but they received little airtime and column space. 

[WhiteHorseRam]

I think the BBC appears to be left-leaning as the print press has gone so far to the right it is out of this world - I saw one headline this week that apparently headmasters had sabotaged the GE by writing to parents about how the Tories' education policy had been awful. Nothing to do with May being pants on the campaign trail then .

Old Kuennsberg had a petition taken out against her by the Left because  she appeared to be so anti JC. Marr savages anyone who goes on to his show, he has a regular 'Burk of the week' slot which rotates through the parties.

Ledsom's run-in was weird. But whenever I see her speak .... it's ....  just ... weird.

The BBC is just highlighting that our current crop of politicians are busy wearing big red floppy shoes, red noses and pouring custard down each others' trousers. One party has just binned a reasonable majority in an attempt (sorry, no attempt) to get a bigger one, while the other has lost but acting like it won. The Lib Dems are still minuscule after shooting themselves in the face over tuition fees and UKIP's GE election was hilarious.

BBC reporters seem anti BREXIT because they live in the Westminster/Salford bubble and are echoing what the great majority of what MPs really think, as they go to the pub with them.

I like the BBC. I remind myself what the alternative is every morning by changing channel and seeing people fake-tanned to the colour of baked beans tittering over a picture of a scottie dog standing in a paddling pool. 

I also hate adverts - I don't want to buy a ******* cordless vaccum cleaner from some **** from Bromsgrove, or watch James Corden hand-break parking a Merc.

 

[dog]

All media has a discourse behind it whether we like it or not.

Some try to be as objective as possible, which I believe the BBC and other national media attempt.

Others don't bother and publish their underlying discourse as though it were truth, such as The Express.

[Rev]

I'll be honest, I've always seen the Beeb as working hard to be politically neutral. 

However tonight I've been on the Beeb news app, and clicked on the link of the Millwall fan who took on the London Bridge terrorist attackers, only to be told that the link couldn't be accessed as it wasn't working!

Shame on the Beeb, quite what the fellas working status has to do with things God only knows, I'll stick to The Sun online from now on.

[Carl Sagan]

Genuinely interesting thread. Have to say @StringerBellis right that broadcast scheduled telly is a dying medium, but the beeb is evolving. I sometimes work in TV and the regulation is miles behind the reality so Netflix/Amazon etc don't have to follow the same rules as BBC/ITV which is a nonsense.

@eddie dropped in an aside about the inflation rate perhaps unaware a little inflation is a good thing. The Bank of England target is intentionally 2% rather than 0% because it's part of a healthy economy. Yes it's a fraction higher right now, but it's been unhealthily low until very recently.

I tend to agree with @gritters that the beeb is overall slightly left-leaning and very much anti-Brexit, but it's nuanced by program. And a further serious issue is they were intentionally biased over climate change until recently, refusing requests from the BBC Trust to stop giving equal weight to climate change denial weirdos for the sake of "balance" (or rather good TV/radio which relies on conflict. Happily they were forced to change stance 2-3 years back.

The news is probably only anti-Brexit, but in the Sagan household Question Time is known as "Leftie Time". Studio audiences for the general election shows were crazily left-wing making it hard for any other voices to be heard. But Andrew Neil's shows Daily Politics and This Week are more on the right and pro-Brexit.

What amazes me is that Channel 4 News, publicly funded, hasn't been taken off air as it's basically the mouthpiece for the socialist workers party. Jon Snow used to be a credible journalist but has gone the same way as his former colleague Paul Mason.