YouRams Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 We all love Bucko but its a backwards step imo. Surely there's some promising young centre backs at lower league teams to get as a back up / pushing for a first team place? Rawson mustn't be as promising as people think if so many managers seem to be overlooking him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Love you Bucko,but playing no. Involved with the club or coaching or even the club nutter who prowls the corridors at Moor Farm and sits rocking in a corner. The days of watching him spray it out to Fozzy and going from defence to the opposition penalty area in 7 seconds are gone . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venkman 2 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I`ve heard from a decent source that we have offered him a 1 year deal, but he has been told that his chances of a regular place in the team are slim, but GR likes his attitude and wants him around the 1st team squad. He is torn as he really wants to come back but has been offered 2 year deals by Burton and Notts C and he still feels that he can perform at this level so I fully expect him to go to Burton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 7 hours ago, oomarkwright said: No, no, and no for me. Burton-fine. Good luck bucko. Will always remember the 2 goals against the wendies. Of all the goals… it's those two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC1388 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Nixon saying that he would be a squad player here but the main man at Burton - I hope he goes Burton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 If McClaren were stil in charge… yes. Rowett… I don't see the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Why don't we sign someone with a good attitude who will also play? Can't for the life of me figure out why we'd sign a player who would hardly play just cos he's got a good attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 8 minutes ago, Venkman 2 said: I`ve heard from a decent source that we have offered him a 1 year deal, but he has been told that his chances of a regular place in the team are slim, but GR likes his attitude and wants him around the 1st team squad. He is torn as he really wants to come back but has been offered 2 year deals by Burton and Notts C and he still feels that he can perform at this level so I fully expect him to go to Burton. This sounds extremely likely - I suspect that Shackell is seen as surplus (33 now and he's hardly a team player) and they're trying to encourage him out - Plus wouldn't be shocked to see Pearce go if we get an offer since he'll want first team football I know it's entirely heart based but I WANT HIM BACK!!!!! GIVE ME MY BUCKO BACK!!!! Keogh and Davies would be our best combo at CB - But just having El Buckonator in a Derby shirt again will bring tears to my eyes Caveat - This may be a gross over reaction to losing Hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamikaze Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I hope he ends up at Burton, let's be honest he's well behind Keogh Davies Wisdom Shackell and Pearce at centreback. Sentimental signing that would weaken the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 23 minutes ago, Venkman 2 said: I`ve heard from a decent source that we have offered him a 1 year deal, but he has been told that his chances of a regular place in the team are slim, but GR likes his attitude and wants him around the 1st team squad. "Hi Jake, we've got some really good youngsters coming through, do you mind coming back and just making sure they don't get anywhere near the first team squad, thanks, Gary" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 26 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: Why don't we sign someone with a good attitude who will also play? Can't for the life of me figure out why we'd sign a player who would hardly play just cos he's got a good attitude. I think the logic is that, we are bringing in him purely as cover and quite possibly as a firm 4th choice. Rowett I think will be looking to set up an absolute first choice centre back pairing with one usual understudy (this quite well could be wisdom shifting accross), this means you really need to have players behind them that are comfortable being squad players and won't be complaining about there lack of play time. I don't think Pearce or Shackell fit that bill whereas Buxton would (not to mention the saving in wages) as well as being a positive influence on the squad. I'd prefer an academy player taking this role though personally but I can see why Rowett might want a character around like Buxton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 13 minutes ago, brady1993 said: I'd prefer an academy player taking this role though personally but I can see why Rowett might want a character around like Buxton. People keep saying this - But do we have ANY solid proof that we have any CBs in the u23s who are ready to take the step up? All the players I've seen suggested to be any good are full backs or midfielders... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 18 minutes ago, cheron85 said: People keep saying this - But do we have ANY solid proof that we have any CBs in the u23s who are ready to take the step up? All the players I've seen suggested to be any good are full backs or midfielders... Fair point and I'm really not sure. If there is isn't anybody who looks like making the step up, I would like us seeing us sign a young up and comer from a lower league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, brady1993 said: Fair point and I'm really not sure. If there is isn't anybody who looks like making the step up, I would like us seeing us sign a young up and comer from a lower league. The guy who keeps getting touted is Rawson - But I feel like he didn't get overly lauded at Coventry last year - And he's been 'in contention' under several managers now who haven't thought he was ready - Other than that I feel like every time I've heard about the u23s they were playing DMs at CB or getting u18s to take a massive step up to play And the issue I have with young players from the lower leagues is - Wingers and forwards don't cost you games (normally) when they make mistakes - And can make a real impact in 10-20 mins - CBs need time, consistency and stability to improve and prove themselves - Which is why you don't very often get a youth player stepping up a league onto a subs bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I think we originally bought him in as 4th choice centre back when we signed him, he managed to play is way into first choice centre back and almost helped us get into the Prem. I love Bucko and as much as my heart would love to see him back, if he signed for us it would be the final indication to me that whoever is doing our recruitment, they are only there for the banter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brady1993 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 7 minutes ago, cheron85 said: The guy who keeps getting touted is Rawson - But I feel like he didn't get overly lauded at Coventry last year - And he's been 'in contention' under several managers now who haven't thought he was ready - Other than that I feel like every time I've heard about the u23s they were playing DMs at CB or getting u18s to take a massive step up to play And the issue I have with young players from the lower leagues is - Wingers and forwards don't cost you games (normally) when they make mistakes - And can make a real impact in 10-20 mins - CBs need time, consistency and stability to improve and prove themselves - Which is why you don't very often get a youth player stepping up a league onto a subs bench Good points, well made. Can't really argue with any of that if I'm honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 1 hour ago, Venkman 2 said: I`ve heard from a decent source that we have offered him a 1 year deal, but he has been told that his chances of a regular place in the team are slim, but GR likes his attitude and wants him around the 1st team squad. He is torn as he really wants to come back but has been offered 2 year deals by Burton and Notts C and he still feels that he can perform at this level so I fully expect him to go to Burton. If he wants to play then he should go to Burton, as it stands we have Davies and Keogh plus Pearce, wisdom, Baird and Rawson who can all play there, if we need someone with a great attitude then can we please get them for our midfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 People spend too much time hung up on ability when they should focus on performance! Buxton, for me, almost always played to his optimum ability, effectively better than almost all of his team mates who have more ability but don't perform. Don't forget, Rowett turned Shotton into a world beater for a few months! I would have no concerns with Buxton on the pitch. He's proven to be committed, able and consistent enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 11 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: People spend too much time hung up on ability when they should focus on performance! Buxton, for me, almost always played to his optimum ability, effectively better than almost all of his team mates who have more ability but don't perform. Don't forget, Rowett turned Shotton into a world beater for a few months! I would have no concerns with Buxton on the pitch. He's proven to be committed, able and consistent enough. shotton a world beater ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 10 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: People spend too much time hung up on ability when they should focus on performance! Buxton, for me, almost always played to his optimum ability, effectively better than almost all of his team mates who have more ability but don't perform. Don't forget, Rowett turned Shotton into a world beater for a few months! I would have no concerns with Buxton on the pitch. He's proven to be committed, able and consistent enough. This....there is almost a snob attitude towards buxton,presumably because of his roots,it certainly can't be based on his performances here last time,he was vital in the 2013/14 campaign. That's not to say it would be replicated next season but I'll leave that to GR's judgement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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