CumbrianRam Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, valleyram said: Gary Rowett will take this team up To an age of over 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilsonram12 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Hughes has seen Hendrick do a decent job for Burnley, Hughes is better than Jeff so he was thinking why not?? we have shed loads of midfielders and a few decent younguns in the under 23's few wingers to go next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Ilsonram12 said: Hughes has seen Hendrick do a decent job for Burnley, Hughes is better than Jeff so he was thinking why not?? we have shed loads of midfielders and a few decent younguns in the under 23's few wingers to go next Elsnik will be our next star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Rowett took a team of relegation fodder and turned them into playoff contenders - Keep the faith He says weeping into his lunch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Just now, cheron85 said: Rowett took a team of relegation fodder and turned them into playoff contenders - Keep the faith He says weeping into his lunch... Might be looking to do the reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, CumbrianRam said: Might be looking to do the reverse Give this player a chance he's going to be better tha Will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSox Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 3 hours ago, TommyPowel said: Surely the key factor is If Will is sold will it enable the manager to improve the team and by doing so increase our chances of promotion?Rowett has made 2 signings so far spending a reported 3 million bring in two great signings.Brian Clough went out and bought a player who was approaching 30 whio had suffered having the same leg broken twice that player was Dave Mackey so keep your betting money safe until you know exactly who comes. Who's to say that GR hasn't had to cut a deal quickly to fund incomers that he wants, who may not stick around if we hang out for more? We just don't know enough to be making hard judgements on what is 'possibly' going on at the club. Let's take a chill pill and review where we are at the beginning of August, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 minute ago, curtains said: Give this player a chance he's going to be better tha Will. I highly doubt a 33 yr old Glenn Whelan is the catalist for a top 2 push Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 5 minutes ago, curtains said: Elsnik will be our next star Not if he never plays him because there's a ton of mediocre midfield veterans in there, he wont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, CumbrianRam said: I highly doubt a 33 yr old Glenn Whelan is the catalist for a top 2 push Fans always asking for the U21s being given a chance . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 minute ago, Ninos said: Not if he never plays him because there's a ton of mediocre midfield veterans in there, he wont Give Marin a chance lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TibshelfRam Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 18 hours ago, curtains said: You can only get what people are willing to pay it's called market forces. If we don't sell Hughes for 10 Million we could come to regret it if we get nothing later and he is a high earner as well. You're right, Curtain, it is 'market forces'. But, on that basis, Hughes is worth more than £8million. We are currently in an environment that has a ludicrously over inflated market. When we're talking about the Pickford's of this world going for £30mill, Van Dijk for £70mill then the market forces are in the favour of selling clubs. Whether we like it or not, we are a selling club - any Championship club is. But we are a selling club at a time of an over inflated market, particularly over inflated for young English talent. If Hughes wants to leave, okay. If Rowett wants shot then fine. I believe this to be short-sighted - he may not be part of Rowett's plans but how sustainable is it to build a squad around a manager, especially when we have zero track record of actually backing our managers. We spoke longingly about wanting to build a Southampton style system at the club: an in-built style of play with players based around that. And managers who drop in seamlessly into the equation. We are patently not doing that: we couldn't have had 4 more different managers than our last 4. If we want to play 'the Derby way' we should be building the team around the likes of Hughes. Okay, he's off. But let's get this straight - this is a player who is highly regarded. A young, English player. If we wanted to get more money for him then we could and would. Curtains talks about 'market forces'. He says that we can only sell for what people are willing to pay. I am about to put my house on the market - it has been valued at £425,950. If someone offers me £200,000 do I sell up and say 'ah well, its market forces - people will only pay what they will pay'? No. We shouldn't be selling our prized asset for a penny less than his true value. Look at other similar clubs selling their best players - they have maximised value. We aren't. We're crazy. The best prospect we've had for years in an over inflated market and we're selling him on the cheap. Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 Just now, KentRam said: You're right, Curtain, it is 'market forces'. But, on that basis, Hughes is worth more than £8million. We are currently in an environment that has a ludicrously over inflated market. When we're talking about the Pickford's of this world going for £30mill, Van Dijk for £70mill then the market forces are in the favour of selling clubs. Whether we like it or not, we are a selling club - any Championship club is. But we are a selling club at a time of an over inflated market, particularly over inflated for young English talent. If Hughes wants to leave, okay. If Rowett wants shot then fine. I believe this to be short-sighted - he may not be part of Rowett's plans but how sustainable is it to build a squad around a manager, especially when we have zero track record of actually backing our managers. We spoke longingly about wanting to build a Southampton style system at the club: an in-built style of play with players based around that. And managers who drop in seamlessly into the equation. We are patently not doing that: we couldn't have had 4 more different managers than our last 4. If we want to play 'the Derby way' we should be building the team around the likes of Hughes. Okay, he's off. But let's get this straight - this is a player who is highly regarded. A young, English player. If we wanted to get more money for him then we could and would. Curtains talks about 'market forces'. He says that we can only sell for what people are willing to pay. I am about to put my house on the market - it has been valued at £425,950. If someone offers me £200,000 do I sell up and say 'ah well, its market forces - people will only pay what they will pay'? No. We shouldn't be selling our prized asset for a penny less than his true value. Look at other similar clubs selling their best players - they have maximised value. We aren't. We're crazy. The best prospect we've had for years in an over inflated market and we're selling him on the cheap. Come on. I suspect he has a release claus in his contact if so we need to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TibshelfRam Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Just now, curtains said: I suspect he has a release claus in his contact if so we need to know In which case, it isn't 'market forces' then, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 For the record . I would like Hughes to stay at Derby . But who will go to fund team changes which people wanted after last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 Just now, KentRam said: In which case, it isn't 'market forces' then, is it? In that case no it wouldn't be . None of us know. Liverpool have wanted him but did they ever bid for him etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TibshelfRam Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Just now, curtains said: For the record . I would like Hughes to stay at Derby . But who will go to fund team changes which people wanted after last season. I, too, would like him to stay. I was never someone who advocated wholesale changes but, given our recent transfer outlays, I would like to think we had some money in the bank. But my point isn't necessarily about Hughes going. I think we're making a mistake but if we are cashing in to fund other moves, please let us take advantage of the 'market forces' and obtain a relative price for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostedRam Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 3 hours ago, EnigmaRam said: we understand that suggestions of a fee of £4.5 million potentially rising to £8m are more accurate than reports of £8m potentially increasing to £10m. see the Hughes thread in transfer rumours and please keep up I made the comment before the new fee information came out. Doesnt look as good a deal now, if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted June 22, 2017 Author Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 minute ago, KentRam said: I, too, would like him to stay. I was never someone who advocated wholesale changes but, given our recent transfer outlays, I would like to think we had some money in the bank. But my point isn't necessarily about Hughes going. I think we're making a mistake but if we are cashing in to fund other moves, please let us take advantage of the 'market forces' and obtain a relative price for him. But who is bidding for him it looks like only Watford ! Keep him but don't expect Rowett to play him week in eeek out as he won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 1 hour ago, curtains said: Keep him but don't expect Rowett to play him week in eeek out as he won't. Has Rowett promised any player to play 'week in week out'? Hughes is worth more to us than to Watford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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