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One thing you should learn is don't debate with David. I've learnt this a while back with Game of Thrones. I've gave up since lol.

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8 minutes ago, Ashz09 said:

One thing you should learn is don't debate with David. I've learnt this a while back with Game of Thrones. I've gave up since lol.

I don't mind debating with anyone, it's just important that people recognise they are wrong so we don't spend all day on it.

What kills any debate is when fake news is being used, like the iPhone costing £25 to make. 

See there's an article in the Independant, took me 30 seconds to find which states the iPhone 7 costs £174 to make

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/iphone-7-costs-apple-make-manufacture-a7329016.html%3Famp

The comeback on this will be yes but Apple Pay to bury the truth. This article was paid for by evil Apple.

Whilst Samsung has been fined over $300k for being found guilty of posting fake negative reviews on competitors.

You will also find those more strongly against iPhones haven't used one recently, views come from burning hatred from within, which is fine. 

I've used Android phones, seen the stats on this forum and watched 3 seasons of Game of Thrones. Unless I'm slightly on the wind up I won't give an opinion from ignorance.

Stand by what I've said about Apple, they are not faultless, nor is any phone. Should they pay more in taxes? Of course. But I won't boycott them based on it, the company do create hundreds of jobs, throughout the UK, Tim Cook recently gave $100m to charity.

The laughing chimp knows this.

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17 minutes ago, Ashz09 said:

One thing you should learn is don't debate with David. I've learnt this a while back with Game of Thrones. I've gave up since lol.

Because he can't.  Still waiting the justification of buying apple, especially regarding their tax avoidance, workers rights and their tie up with Foxconn.

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8 minutes ago, McRamFan said:

Still waiting the justification of buying apple

Still waiting for why I should justify how I spend my money to you

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Apple paid for these stories.

NOT JUST APPLE: Samsung Under Fire For Allegedly Giving Employees 16-Hour Workdays, One Day Off Per Month

http://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-factory-working-conditions-2012-11?IR=T

A worker-safety group has documented more than 200 cases of serious illnesses including leukemia, lupus, lymphoma and multiple sclerosis among former Samsung semiconductor and LCD workers. Seventy-six have died, most in their 20s and 30s.

http://www.ien.com/product-development/news/20830336/samsung-workers-speak-up-on-working-conditions

Samsung and Panasonic accused over supply chain labour abuses in Malaysia

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/nov/21/samsung-panasonic-accused-over-supply-chain-labour-abuses-malaysia

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With discussions like this (and I use discussion loosely) it is down to what you find easiest to use, and what meets your requirements, whether that iPhone, Android, Windows whatever. I prefer Android and have had Samsung for my last 3 phones. I have tried using iPhones but I can't get on with them. 

The thing I don't understand though is the people who go and queue up for 2 days for the iPhone. Why? Is it really that important that you basically lose 2 days of your life over a phone? One of my friends does it every year. I know when it is coming up to release time because he starts to put things up for sale on Facebook. What's the point?

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Would never queue but but can understand why he would sell the devices on early. Used Apple prices in good condition with the box are really good.

Say you hold on to an iPad for years, it would work great but you may miss out on features, iOS does slow devices down if you're installing the latest version on say a 3 year old phone, it works but just a bit slower.

When it ultimately comes time to buy a new one, you might have to pay £600-£700, your old device being pretty much worthless. Trade it in each year, never have any problems and you will maybe get £400 for your old iPad.

If you keep trading in each year you get maximum resale value, I've never done it before receiving the new device but say you pay £800 for the iPhone 7, you can expect to get around £600 resale value. The iPhone 8 might cost £850 so it's cost you £250.

As I said to Lester earlier, if you go sim free it works out much cheaper, you get a better contract, the latest phone each year whilst saving £20-30 per month. Plus the initial outlay of a phone that would be on a 2 year contract.

For many people having the latest and greatest doesn't matter, all you do is browse the Internet, not fussed about iCloud and all that. An original iPad if you didn't max out the iOS updates would do just that.

I make websites, it's what I do, I need to see how it looks on all screen sizes, like building a car without having a road to test it on. No way can I afford to stay and one device and run it's course, then suck up the costs of replacing all the devices with no resale value on old.

New iPad and iPhone each year, minus the contract would cost me around £400, that's £33 a month, little over a pound a day.

Listing all Apple devices might make you look mega rich but you play the smart game it's really not that expensive after you've made the initial jump.

(this only works if you take care of devices, Not chuck them around like toys)

 

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10 hours ago, McRamFan said:

Makes no odds, Android will be the biggest operation system, apple way to slow to keep up, has too many hurdles, too many issues.

Android has issues, issues that rise from demand. apple just refuse, put barriers up for apps.

It's quite impressive how you can type the exact opposite of reality and sound so serious about it. King of dead pan. 

Let me try:

up is down, left is right, forest are the best team in the... nope, couldn't do it without smiling. 

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31 minutes ago, David said:

Would never queue but but can understand why he would sell the devices on early. Used Apple prices in good condition with the box are really good.

Say you hold on to an iPad for years, it would work great but you may miss out on features, iOS does slow devices down if you're installing the latest version on say a 3 year old phone, it works but just a bit slower.

When it ultimately comes time to buy a new one, you might have to pay £600-£700, your old device being pretty much worthless. Trade it in each year, never have any problems and you will maybe get £400 for your old iPad.

If you keep trading in each year you get maximum resale value, I've never done it before receiving the new device but say you pay £800 for the iPhone 7, you can expect to get around £600 resale value. The iPhone 8 might cost £850 so it's cost you £250.

As I said to Lester earlier, if you go sim free it works out much cheaper, you get a better contract, the latest phone each year whilst saving £20-30 per month. Plus the initial outlay of a phone that would be on a 2 year contract.

For many people having the latest and greatest doesn't matter, all you do is browse the Internet, not fussed about iCloud and all that. An original iPad if you didn't max out the iOS updates would do just that.

I make websites, it's what I do, I need to see how it looks on all screen sizes, like building a car without having a road to test it on. No way can I afford to stay and one device and run it's course, then suck up the costs of replacing all the devices with no resale value on old.

New iPad and iPhone each year, minus the contract would cost me around £400, that's £33 a month, little over a pound a day.

Listing all Apple devices might make you look mega rich but you play the smart game it's really not that expensive after you've made the initial jump.

(this only works if you take care of devices, Not chuck them around like toys)

 

Love you.

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1 hour ago, David said:

Still waiting for why I should justify how I spend my money to you

Spend your money how you like. Just asking your opinion on apples ethics, especially having 200% margins on goods, working conditions and the enormous amount of corporate 'bullying'.

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53 minutes ago, David said:

Would never queue but but can understand why he would sell the devices on early. Used Apple prices in good condition with the box are really good.

Say you hold on to an iPad for years, it would work great but you may miss out on features, iOS does slow devices down if you're installing the latest version on say a 3 year old phone, it works but just a bit slower.

When it ultimately comes time to buy a new one, you might have to pay £600-£700, your old device being pretty much worthless. Trade it in each year, never have any problems and you will maybe get £400 for your old iPad.

If you keep trading in each year you get maximum resale value, I've never done it before receiving the new device but say you pay £800 for the iPhone 7, you can expect to get around £600 resale value. The iPhone 8 might cost £850 so it's cost you £250.

As I said to Lester earlier, if you go sim free it works out much cheaper, you get a better contract, the latest phone each year whilst saving £20-30 per month. Plus the initial outlay of a phone that would be on a 2 year contract.

For many people having the latest and greatest doesn't matter, all you do is browse the Internet, not fussed about iCloud and all that. An original iPad if you didn't max out the iOS updates would do just that.

I make websites, it's what I do, I need to see how it looks on all screen sizes, like building a car without having a road to test it on. No way can I afford to stay and one device and run it's course, then suck up the costs of replacing all the devices with no resale value on old.

New iPad and iPhone each year, minus the contract would cost me around £400, that's £33 a month, little over a pound a day.

Listing all Apple devices might make you look mega rich but you play the smart game it's really not that expensive after you've made the initial jump.

(this only works if you take care of devices, Not chuck them around like toys)

 

Oh I get the selling devices bit, but it just isn't devices he sells, it is whatever isn't tied down at release time gets sold. The part I don't get is the queue up 2 days before hand, each year he goes off to Birmingham (for some unknown reason, maybe blends in better sleeping in a doorway, I don't know :lol:)

Would never criticise people for their choice of devices, may have joke and it can be an easy fishing line :p, what you do makes perfect sense to me at least.

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38 minutes ago, TigerTedd said:

It's quite impressive how you can type the exact opposite of reality and sound so serious about it. King of dead pan. 

Let me try:

up is down, left is right, forest are the best team in the... nope, couldn't do it without smiling. 

It's easy, just write the exact opposite of what the norm portrays and sit back and watch, or in this case read. Its quite satisfying and makes me smile too.

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2 hours ago, McRamFan said:

Because he can't.  Still waiting the justification of buying apple, especially regarding their tax avoidance, workers rights and their tie up with Foxconn.

Any big consumer based business uses cheap labour, and cuts corners to avoid tax.  Nike, Amazon, Sony, Tesco even Primark.  If you stopped buying products based on company's business practices you'd have to live in a tent, live off the land, and make your own clothes out of old potato sacks and frog spawn...

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I gave up on getting a new phone every year when they stopped actually making any meaningful improvements until every second or third year

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