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On 8 December 2017 at 15:46, Ninos said:

It actually makes him a bad player since he repeats this over and over 

in fairness to Martin if you’ve got no pace no hustle no goalscoring ability and cannot beat a player one on one then how else are you supposed to make a living as a striker in football? The answer : Convince everyone you hold the ball up and are clever. What Butterfield is to a midfield Martin is to a forward line: appears to be useful but next to zero impact 

I’m not falling for any of it .. I would have if he’d have won the game at wembley or pulled off some kind of heroics like score 24 seconds in v forest or get a hat trick at Boro ... but it’s not in his repertoire I’m afraid to make a real difference. 

Ramage is right: if we could get 5-7m andput half of that to a real player like Afobe we’d be laughing all the way into the PL. Its really not very controversial at all

the difference maker on our team is Vydra right now ... 

The difference is playing a good player in the right position with players around him that understand his style. Yes he is the difference but only because he is being used in the right way. 

everything beyond a first touch is about combinations and set up, those partnerships and groupings that gel. Martin isn't my favourite striker but at this level he is a good player, and any good player will flourish with tactics, blend and a partner. I think all our 4 front men have something to offer in a GR team. Football is a team game you build a unit and a style that works together and have a fallback position if a key player is injured. Something we never really cracked with Mac

 Martin can play and has a touch and is more than worthy of a place in the squad. ( note I said squad as in an option we can use rather than a one dimensional Mac system with little variety ) GR is switching strike partnerships around and looking at his mixes. I am delighted .. I want to see Nuge and Martin given a go together aswell

GR has begun to shape things so that he has more than one team. Martin has a deserved place in one of those teams. I am not saying he is PL ... Few of our players are, but in this league he has rank 

 

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18 minutes ago, reveldevil said:

I don't get what it is that so divides us about Martin.

In my eyes, he's the best forward we've had since Sturridge, if not Saunders, yet it seems half the fan base positively dislike him.

Stats back me up, and he seems more than willing to knuckle down when not selected, wait for his chance and contribute when he can.

Why can't certain people accept he's one of a number of decent forwards we seem to have at the moment, and be happy when he plays a part, and equally praise others when he doesn't?

It's a tiny minority who are unable to accept that Martin is still very much a quality player but they are paranoid in their criticism so it just feels like there's more of them that's actually the case.

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9 hours ago, reveldevil said:

I don't get what it is that so divides us about Martin.

In my eyes, he's the best forward we've had since Sturridge, if not Saunders, yet it seems half the fan base positively dislike him.

Stats back me up, and he seems more than willing to knuckle down when not selected, wait for his chance and contribute when he can.

Why can't certain people accept he's one of a number of decent forwards we seem to have at the moment, and be happy when he plays a part, and equally praise others when he doesn't?

According to studies, normally people would not have as polarising views, but some do on the internet. A strange phenomenon which might have something to do with lack of social skills or low self-esteem... or at least that's the conclusion researchers has ended up with.

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1 hour ago, Dimmu said:

According to studies, normally people would not have as polarising views, but some do on the internet. A strange phenomenon which might have something to do with lack of social skills or low self-esteem... or at least that's the conclusion researchers has ended up with.

Interesting... Nothing to do with martin, but have you got a source for these studies? 

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2 hours ago, PistoldPete2 said:

Interesting... Nothing to do with martin, but have you got a source for these studies? 

Here is couple easily reachable, mostly about how polarising happens online. To dig deeper for the reasons, you would need to check what social psychology and psychology says about group behavior and roles, social identity, social corroboration etc... There are papers for it too if you want to look for them.

DiMaggio, P., Hargittai, E., Neuman, W. R., & Robinson, J. P. (2001). Social implications of the Internet. Annual review of sociology, 27(1), 307-336.

Yardi, S., & Boyd, D. (2010). Dynamic debates: An analysis of group polarization over time on twitter. Bulletin of Science, Technology & Society, 30(5), 316-327.

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