superzak Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 You can only beat the teams in your era...and we beat the finest fair and square for a good 3 seasons 72/75 with one of the finest footballers I have had the pleasure of watching. In fact we had a team full of fine players but king kev was the best.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil62uk Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 9 minutes ago, superzak said: You can only beat the teams in your era...and we beat the finest fair and square for a good 3 seasons 72/75 with one of the finest footballers I have had the pleasure of watching. In fact we had a team full of fine players but king kev was the best.. not a bad season in 72 .. just look at some of those results ... cant see some of them being repeated for a long time http://www.11v11.com/teams/derby-county/tab/matches/season/1972/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrm14 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 4 hours ago, toddy said: You shouldn't mention KH in the same sentence as Martin - as KH played and scored at a much higher level than Martin. Martin and Hector in the same breath - shocking Could you address his very valid point instead of deflecting it please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 1 hour ago, superzak said: You can only beat the teams in your era...and we beat the finest fair and square for a good 3 seasons 72/75 with one of the finest footballers I have had the pleasure of watching. In fact we had a team full of fine players but king kev was the best.. He certainly was. But why deny what a fine striker Chris Martin is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 http://soccersouls.com/2017/04/20/go-for-it-paul-lambert-this-3-83m-derby-ace-could-be-a-shrewd-signing-for-wolves-in-the-summer/ "Currently on loan at Fulham, striker Chris Martin will become a free agent at the end of this season when his contract expires at Derby County." Explain to me how someone gets paid for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 39 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: http://soccersouls.com/2017/04/20/go-for-it-paul-lambert-this-3-83m-derby-ace-could-be-a-shrewd-signing-for-wolves-in-the-summer/ "Currently on loan at Fulham, striker Chris Martin will become a free agent at the end of this season when his contract expires at Derby County." Explain to me how someone gets paid for this! Good to see @toddy branching out beyond the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 4 hours ago, swiftur said: Why would we spout shi&% about him.Finest player of his generation at gliding across a football pitch at speed with the ball under control.The comparison is an insult. Cheers for taking the argument completely out of context. Clearly that wasn't the comparison. It doesn't really matter who the player is, it could be Martin, King Kev or ******* King Kong for all I care but the stats you measure players by should be the same for all, not just change it here and there to fit an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 36 minutes ago, Mr Tibbs said: Cheers for taking the argument completely out of context. Clearly that wasn't the comparison. It doesn't really matter who the player is, it could be Martin, King Kev or ******* King Kong for all I care but the stats you measure players by should be the same for all, not just change it here and there to fit an agenda. Are you new to "the internet"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 10 hours ago, lrm14 said: Could you address his very valid point instead of deflecting it please? Please keep up, I did - Kevin Hector played and scored at a much higher level than Martin Your debate is like saying Ricky Miller is a better striker than Martin!!! Its all about context and placing KH and CM in the same bracket is madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 9 hours ago, RoyMac5 said: He certainly was. But why deny what a fine striker Chris Martin is? Context. Martin is a championship striker -no more than this. Martin had a good season for us in 2013/14, ok 2 seasons with us. Kevin Hector was with us 12 seasons, played in European cups, won the league twice, played at the highest level and played extremely well and tormented the best defenders in the world - Kevin Hector played at a level only Martin can dream at playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrdave85 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 1 hour ago, toddy said: Context. Martin is a championship striker -no more than this. Martin had a good season for us in 2013/14, ok 2 seasons with us. Kevin Hector was with us 12 seasons, played in European cups, won the league twice, played at the highest level and played extremely well and tormented the best defenders in the world - Kevin Hector played at a level only Martin can dream at playing. But the professional football landscape was so different back then, KH was a legend for us but professional football is a different beast now. I can never wrap my head around comparing football with such a large gap between them. It's even a different game from the early 90's to what it is today. The highest level in when KH was in his prime would not be the highest level, IMO the modern day Championship is on par if not just under. Today's top-tier is a higher standard than what it was. That Martin regularly plays in the 2nd tier, and has been capped internationally, shouldn't be dismissed so easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 2 hours ago, mrdave85 said: But the professional football landscape was so different back then, KH was a legend for us but professional football is a different beast now. I can never wrap my head around comparing football with such a large gap between them. It's even a different game from the early 90's to what it is today. The highest level in when KH was in his prime would not be the highest level, IMO the modern day Championship is on par if not just under. Today's top-tier is a higher standard than what it was. That Martin regularly plays in the 2nd tier, and has been capped internationally, shouldn't be dismissed so easily. I would agree with the game has changed, yes possibly faster, but the skill levels are the same, players have not grown extra legs or heads, so it may be quicker but to say the level of the old First division is on par with the current championship is nonsense. I think we were the 2nd most succesfull English team in the 1970's, Liverpool being no1. You could actually argue it is actually easier to score goals now than back then as the goal size has increased. Its is certainly a less physical now than then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnstile Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 11 hours ago, Mr Tibbs said: Cheers for taking the argument completely out of context. Clearly that wasn't the comparison. It doesn't really matter who the player is, it could be Martin, King Kev or ******* King Kong for all I care but the stats you measure players by should be the same for all, not just change it here and there to fit an agenda. I judge all players the same.On football ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 3 hours ago, mrdave85 said: The highest level in when KH was in his prime would not be the highest level, IMO the modern day Championship is on par if not just under. Today's top-tier is a higher standard than what it was. That Martin regularly plays in the 2nd tier, and has been capped internationally, shouldn't be dismissed so easily. You think? I saw some clips of us in the 70's and the standard looks dreadful by Championship standards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 4 hours ago, toddy said: Context. You don't know the meaning of the word youth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 4 hours ago, toddy said: Context. Martin is a championship striker -no more than this. Martin had a good season for us in 2013/14, ok 2 seasons with us. Kevin Hector was with us 12 seasons, played in European cups, won the league twice, played at the highest level and played extremely well and tormented the best defenders in the world - Kevin Hector played at a level only Martin can dream at playing. Can I give double likes please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteHorseRam Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, King Kevin said: Can I give double likes please? We must hope that GR is the kind of manager who can grow Martins into Hectors. I don't think we will ever be able to afford Messi so it's our only route to silverware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 11 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Are you new to "the internet"? Unfortunately not, 2648 posts too deep. 4 hours ago, toddy said: Its all about context and placing KH and CM in the same bracket is madness. You can't claim that when you constantly ignore it to make your stance on CM. Why judge player X on scoring fewer goals now than his debut season but not player Y. That's the bottom line of your argument. Anyway, like a few others in this debate I think I'm out. Blatantly ignoring the context of my argument and shifting it onto a straight "who's a better striker" comparison between CM and KH which is, of course, absolute madness. No doubt this one will get deflected onto something just as pointless. Some people see only what they want to see. Adios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 I don't think I've ever seen a point go over so many people's heads before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, cannable said: I don't think I've ever seen a point go over so many people's heads before Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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