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5 minutes ago, Andrew James said:

I actually think Mel is fantastic for the club, the investment in facilities are fantastic, the investment on the pitch has not matched that yet, but let's see what the next few years bring - Gary I'm hoping is strong enough to work with him. 

I think this is the consensus a lot of us share. I found Mel's reasoning and vision to be pretty much 100% what we would ask for. I just feel the treatment of managers leaves a bitter taste, my perception of his treatment, that is...

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7 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

I think this is the consensus a lot of us share. I found Mel's reasoning and vision to be pretty much 100% what we would ask for. I just feel the treatment of managers leaves a bitter taste, my perception of his treatment, that is...

When will you forgive Mel for this then. 

Did he have any choice with Clement and Pearson. 

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1 minute ago, curtains said:

When will you forgive Mel for this then. 

Did he have any choice with Clement and Pearson. 

it's not about forgiving Mel at all. I'm not judge and jury. I'd be happy for steady improvement and a manager allowed the time to build a team in his own style. I hope there's no truth in rumours that certain players have Mel's ear, as this would be worrying. I wanted SMc to be allowed to replace those players that let him down a few years ago, but he never got a chance then, and he never got his chance this time. I think we wasted a couple of seasons giving more chances to failing players, and I hope Rowett has got assurances that Mel will back him and not the players over the next few seasons.

If Mel doesn't back the manager over the players, and allow the players who Rowett wants rid of to be sold, then I cannot agree with Mel's methods going forward.

With regard to Clement, I backed Mel's decision, he explained to us at Breakfast and it made sense, although I wonder if his invasion of the dressing room undermined and compounded things.

With regard to Pearson, I think Mel was wrong to throw his blueprint out of the window and bow to fan pressure, with an overwhelming majority wanting Pearson (or Moyes!!). Neither fit in with a supposed philosophy. He shouldn't have been appointed but once appointed, deserved to be allowed to change the squad. It was clear he was onto something, but the players won.

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1 minute ago, Mostyn6 said:

it's not about forgiving Mel at all. I'm not judge and jury. I'd be happy for steady improvement and a manager allowed the time to build a team in his own style. I hope there's no truth in rumours that certain players have Mel's ear, as this would be worrying. I wanted SMc to be allowed to replace those players that let him down a few years ago, but he never got a chance then, and he never got his chance this time. I think we wasted a couple of seasons giving more chances to failing players, and I hope Rowett has got assurances that Mel will back him and not the players over the next few seasons.

If Mel doesn't back the manager over the players, and allow the players who Rowett wants rid of to be sold, then I cannot agree with Mel's methods going forward.

With regard to Clement, I backed Mel's decision, he explained to us at Breakfast and it made sense, although I wonder if his invasion of the dressing room undermined and compounded things.

With regard to Pearson, I think Mel was wrong to throw his blueprint out of the window and bow to fan pressure, with an overwhelming majority wanting Pearson (or Moyes!!). Neither fit in with a supposed philosophy. He shouldn't have been appointed but once appointed, deserved to be allowed to change the squad. It was clear he was onto something, but the players won.

End of the day you have to look at the bigger picture. 

Unfortunatly Mels managerial appointments didn't come off for one reason or another. 

Now as regards Steve McClaren he was given a second chance by Mel and started off well initially but the whole thing imploded again. 

Now does Mel stick or twist when Gary Rowett was available or does he risk him going elsewhere and my answer to that would be he simply had to act in DCFCs best interest.

What was the choice sticking with McClaren or trying a fresh approach with a manager on the up IMO. 

Mel decided as I would of done in his shoes to go with the latter. 

 

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4 hours ago, reveldevil said:

We got less than we deserved tbf, a point would have been robbery.

Another few training sessions before Fulham to get to grips with the squad, especially the ones away on international duty will be useful.

Some small improvements between now and the end of the season, and not losing our heads if things go against us, and we'll be in a fine position going into the summer.

Which you could argue was the case this time last year with Wassall, who delivered the improvement performance wise, yet he was never going to get the job.

Good presentation in the media is now an important part of a managers job, and Rowett certainly has that.

I guess I'm saying i expect no more from Gary than we saw from Darren, but that wasn't enough to give Wassall the job, but will be enough for Rowett to be secure.

 

A lot of truth in that Rev and the great thing is that you're going to see your expectations exceeded :D.... 

Seriously though, even if it is only 2 matches in but I have a very positive feeling ..

with Clement I was "interested" .. The background, the knowledge .. There were possibilities

with Pearson .. I was in studious mood .. Restoring "traditional values" could lead somewhere 

with Mac2 .. I was just plain relieved that a nigh are was over 

with GR .. I am plain old fashioned eagerly awaiting the next game .. There is promise ..unfulfilled but the fire has been lit. 

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I think it's the right appointment , lots of reasons that have been posted by myself elsewhere and others in here ,but apart from that it also just looks and feels right ??? Yep I know that don't hold water but it does just feel right

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I remember listening to GR when he was working on radio Derby and I used to think what a lot of sense he talked and that he would make a good manager. I hope that those thoughts come true while he is with us. 

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21 hours ago, curtains said:

Could just be Mel has saved DCFC 

Well done Mel that decision took courage. 

Far too early to say. Didn't we go on a good run when McClaren was appointed? Only time will tell. Enjoyed the performance though

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Are we not a posts width from everyone slagging the club off? If we'd conceded another 90th minute equaliser we'd be going furious.

1 shocking half, 1 average half and 2 good halfs of football so far. More direct which I like. Amazing appointment - let's make that decision this time next season, not after 2 games!

As for stuff like "I'm off to see Fulham play". Jesus is that all it takes to be excited by you? Our manager is going to see the next opposition play especially when they are playing 45 minutes up the Motorway? Wow. I'd expect my manager to! (Ironic as Clement probably wouldn't have bothered)

I think all we are seeing is more information in public. That's getting folk a little too excited!

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14 hours ago, reveldevil said:

We got less than we deserved tbf, a point would have been robbery.

Another few training sessions before Fulham to get to grips with the squad, especially the ones away on international duty will be useful.

Some small improvements between now and the end of the season, and not losing our heads if things go against us, and we'll be in a fine position going into the summer.

Which you could argue was the case this time last year with Wassall, who delivered the improvement performance wise, yet he was never going to get the job.

Good presentation in the media is now an important part of a managers job, and Rowett certainly has that.

I guess I'm saying i expect no more from Gary than we saw from Darren, but that wasn't enough to give Wassall the job, but will be enough for Rowett to be secure.

 

Long-term memory problem here   ....... you omit Wassall's team selection errors which climaxed in the play-offs , one of the biggest collapses when winning ( good enough to rival any of MacClaren's and arguably caused by substitution decisions by Wassall) and the awful 'everything is good interviews' which were totally different from Rowett's realism.

Mel certainly got the Wassall verdict correct,.

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Morning just got back off neets. Tha were nowt wrong wi Mac. We played some of best football I'd seen in forty years of going. I blame the players for our capitulation over the seasons.  I give Rowett till Christmas. Nice bloke but  unproven really. Yes he took Birmingham to top half but they were hardly world beaters.  Anyway I'm off nah just had a delivery of coil . 

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Not read through all 17 pages, and I imagine this point has been made many many times but I want to get it off my chest too. The very very very early signs are encouraging, just as they were under Mac1, Clement and Mac2. Indeed, their good starts lasted quite a long time, relatively speaking.  Two games is nowhere near long enough to judge anything and, as ever, we should neither get too excited or too pessimistic about what may unfold.  I find that it generally healthier to reflect on what has happened than speculate as to what might happen, particularly in the somewhat unpredicatable world of football management (I often reflect on this life lesson after losing money on a bet).  

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36 minutes ago, DRBee said:

Long-term memory problem here   ....... you omit Wassall's team selection errors which climaxed in the play-offs , one of the biggest collapses when winning ( good enough to rival any of MacClaren's and arguably caused by substitution decisions by Wassall) and the awful 'everything is good interviews' which were totally different from Rowett's realism.

Mel certainly got the Wassall verdict correct,.

Nothing wrong with my memory in this case.

Did I say Mel didn't get the Wassall decision right? No.

Did I praise Rowetts media savvy? Yes.

Did I mention anything about team selection by either man? No.

Simply pointing out that all Rowett has to do between now and the end of the season is show some improvement in performances to have justified making the change, which is similar to the job Wassall was handed.

Try reading posts properly instead of twisting them to disprove a point which isn't actually being made.

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47 minutes ago, Owd miner said:

Morning just got back off neets. Tha were nowt wrong wi Mac. We played some of best football I'd seen in forty years of going. I blame the players for our capitulation over the seasons.  I give Rowett till Christmas. Nice bloke but  unproven really. Yes he took Birmingham to top half but they were hardly world beaters.  Anyway I'm off nah just had a delivery of coil . 

Okay thanks..  Anyone ?

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19 minutes ago, Angry Ram said:

Okay thanks..  Anyone ?

Which bit are you struggling with? The 1st and last parts are self explanatory, so it must be the bit about the players you're struggling with.

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Held my tongue on Mr Morris running of the club mainly so far. 

I think we all want the same thing surely?? Promotion to premier league and some sustainability once up there. Look to Stoke City as an example of what can be accomplished under a wealthy and caring local supporter. I don't dispute that he has made mistakes at the helm but which of us in his shoes can honestly say we would not have made mistakes either. I see his entering the dressing room while PC was manager as a wrong move but it's only out of passion and care that he would have done this. The other stuff about players in his ear, having managers at his house watching games over fine tooth combs... Really ??!! Who cares... I couldn't give a jot. Our boss has us over for supper or Sunday dinners...we talk shop. So what. 

I hope GR has clearly spelled out to MM and SR how he wants to move forward. What he expects of players and that he will expect them to toe the line and conform. Then it's clear. Hence if Gary gets results then we move on. If he doesn't get results and we slip backwards then he will be gone. It's not rocket science. 

The days of two- three seasons to build at clubs with our support base and ambition are long gone. You can give examples of exceptions and I'd likely point out results helped or other parameters into equation.  But by and large not. 

Personally GR feels a good appointment... But then again, I said the same about John Gregory. Fingers firmly crossed. He is the type of bloke I really wish well for. 

Posted
11 hours ago, Mostyn6 said:

it's not about forgiving Mel at all. I'm not judge and jury. I'd be happy for steady improvement and a manager allowed the time to build a team in his own style. I hope there's no truth in rumours that certain players have Mel's ear, as this would be worrying. I wanted SMc to be allowed to replace those players that let him down a few years ago, but he never got a chance then, and he never got his chance this time. I think we wasted a couple of seasons giving more chances to failing players, and I hope Rowett has got assurances that Mel will back him and not the players over the next few seasons.

If Mel doesn't back the manager over the players, and allow the players who Rowett wants rid of to be sold, then I cannot agree with Mel's methods going forward.

With regard to Clement, I backed Mel's decision, he explained to us at Breakfast and it made sense, although I wonder if his invasion of the dressing room undermined and compounded things.

With regard to Pearson, I think Mel was wrong to throw his blueprint out of the window and bow to fan pressure, with an overwhelming majority wanting Pearson (or Moyes!!). Neither fit in with a supposed philosophy. He shouldn't have been appointed but once appointed, deserved to be allowed to change the squad. It was clear he was onto something, but the players won.

Can you elaborate on that element please Mostyn, Sir (emphasised part) I'd like to unpick this analysis with you if I may? 

Posted
2 hours ago, rammieib said:

Are we not a posts width from everyone slagging the club off? If we'd conceded another 90th minute equaliser we'd be going furious.

1 shocking half, 1 average half and 2 good halfs of football so far. More direct which I like. Amazing appointment - let's make that decision this time next season, not after 2 games!

As for stuff like "I'm off to see Fulham play". Jesus is that all it takes to be excited by you? Our manager is going to see the next opposition play especially when they are playing 45 minutes up the Motorway? Wow. I'd expect my manager to! (Ironic as Clement probably wouldn't have bothered)

I think all we are seeing is more information in public. That's getting folk a little too excited!

Getting excited isn't that what Football and supporting DCFC is all about .

Lets all walk around with a chip on our shoulder and a morose face and attitude.  

Posted
2 hours ago, Owd miner said:

Morning just got back off neets. Tha were nowt wrong wi Mac. We played some of best football I'd seen in forty years of going. I blame the players for our capitulation over the seasons.  I give Rowett till Christmas. Nice bloke but  unproven really. Yes he took Birmingham to top half but they were hardly world beaters.  Anyway I'm off nah just had a delivery of coil . 

Some of but was it sustainable because it always seemed to run out of steam without achieving any GOAL 

Posted
8 minutes ago, curtains said:

Some of but was it sustainable because it always seemed to run out of steam without achieving any GOAL 

Who? McClaren?

What was his goal when he came and took over from Pearson and Clough?

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