I suggest Mel has got it right with Gary Rowett

[Curtains]

6 minutes ago, RodleyRam said:

I haven't read the whole thread so forgive me if it's been covered.

We've played two games...

The signs are positive, I like what I've seen, I am hopeful but can we possibly just hold our horses before we recommend the poor bloke for a knighthood?

@curtainsRemember tgat whole ridiculous situation where you said the appointment of mac2 was ridiculous, then genius, then ridiculous in the space of about 10 games? Yeah? Can we try to avoid that do we think?

Over the last 5 years we've swung wildly from Champions League potential to relegation fodder (fans opinions). It's great we are excited but the sensationalisation is so unhelpful and we never seem to learn as fans. It's got to the point where it just feels irresponsible and we're a big part of the whole ridiculous feast and famine roller coaster.

It's obviously worse when we're on a downturn and I wouldn't want to stunt anyone's enthusiasm but it's been two games. Two games. What if we lose the next two? Will it be time to avoid sharp objects again?

Can we not just be optimistic and pleased we look to be improving? Can we also try to remember this positivity when we lose too? It'll be better for the club in the long run if we can, because GR is going to need consistent, steady support here. If we think he's the right choice (and the vast majority do) can we just think about the roll we play in that and supporting him properly and consistently through the inevitable ups and downs?

That's the effect McClaren has on people he flatters to deceive. 

[Mostyn6]

14 minutes ago, valleyram said:

U would say that , the second half performance at city ground and last night was night and day to the pish served up by mclaren dross 

really? are you just picking a few McClaren games? towards the end? not taking into account the way he took a relegation battling side into play-off contention with pressing and effort almost identical to the good bits of last night and v Forest! 

It's almost comical you specify the 2nd half v Forest. What about the first half? does that not count? I am yet to see anything different. Was last night any better than Wolves away for instance? NO. The only difference was QPR had 3 late chances and missed them all.

12 minutes ago, curtains said:

Bookmarked. 

Bookmarked for what? Did you read something different to what I actually wrote? If we'd lost and you wrote the opposite, I would still say too early. I have made no prediction, and only a fool would.

[Mafiabob]

16 minutes ago, valleyram said:

U would say that , the second half performance at city ground and last night was night and day to the pish served up by mclaren dross 

You are a very very very bitter man...... all because Bryson was on bench at Wembley......

Its borderline obsessive and pathetic...... mac nearly got us out of this league after years of obscurity. 

Fair enough there's plenty of criticisms of the man..... I get it.

I suggest a song from a famous Disney film..... 

[Curtains]

Just now, Mostyn6 said:

really? are you just picking a few McClaren games? towards the end? not taking into account the way he took a relegation battling side into play-off contention with pressing and effort almost identical to the good bits of last night and v Forest! 

It's almost comical you specify the 2nd half v Forest. What about the first half? does that not count? I am yet to see anything different. Was last night any better than Wolves away for instance? NO. The only difference was QPR had 3 late chances and missed them all.

Bookmarked for what? Did you read something different to what I actually wrote? If we'd lost and you wrote the opposite, I would still say too early. I have made no prediction, and only a fool would.

I've bookmarked the fact you said no improvement in performance last night and I say that is not correct.

 

 

[mwram1973]

19 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

as much as I love Rowett, there was really little difference in performances and the only difference really was QPR hit the post at the end of the game instead of scoring.

Far too soon for such happy-clapping.

Not sure I agree with that, the performance last night reminded me of Leicester when they were in the championship, constant pressure and fast,direct, decisive football which I thought Nugent and Vydra thrived on.

However I do agree it's too soon for happy clapping, but every team we play will get chances, that's football and it happens to even the best teams. The fact is they hit the post, they didn't score, we won.

I'm really liking how rowett is talking and how he's looking to set this team up.

[Pearl Ram]

You know, one of the very few negatives about this forum for me is the need for some people to label others. It appears we are either happy clappers or wrist slashers.

It appears to be frowned upon to be impressed or optimistic  after weeks of mediocrity to be buoyed by a performance like last night's and I'm sick of know it all smart arses putting a dampener on the feelgood factor many feel today.

Yeah Rangers hit the post from yet another set piece situation but Rowett alluded to that in his interview and will be dealing with it before the next game, I'm sure of it. He might not be able to fix it to his satisfaction until the summer but I for one think he's on the case to this specific problem.

[JaguarRam]

Ha ha!!! MM is a genius again now is he? 

Two games in and GR is being praised by the people who will calling for his head after 3 defeats! 

[valleyram]

Just now, Mostyn6 said:

really? are you just picking a few McClaren games? towards the end? not taking into account the way he took a relegation battling side into play-off contention with pressing and effort almost identical to the good bits of last night and v Forest! 

It's almost comical you specify the 2nd half v Forest. What about the first half? does that not count? I am yet to see anything different. Was last night any better than Wolves away for instance? NO. The only difference was QPR had 3 late chances and missed them all.

Bookmarked for what? Did you read something different to what I actually wrote? If we'd lost and you wrote the opposite, I would still say too early. I have made no prediction, and only a fool would.

These players are good enough to get the club into premiership 

I'm no so sure the attitude has been right with certain players with certain managers 

what I am certain of is rowett won't put up with them 

hard work and the right attitude will get derby promoted I'm sure next season and if we can sneak into play offs this season there is nothing to fear , in fact I'm sure the other 3 teams who looked nailed on for the play offs won't want to see us finish 6th 

[Mostyn6]

6 minutes ago, Mafiabob said:

You are a very very very bitter man...... all because Bryson was on bench at Wembley......

Its borderline obsessive and pathetic...... mac nearly got us out of this league after years of obscurity. 

Fair enough there's plenty of criticisms of the man..... I get it.

I suggest a song from a famous Disney film..... 

Bibbedy bobbedy boo?

[Curtains]

12 minutes ago, Mafiabob said:

You are a very very very bitter man...... all because Bryson was on bench at Wembley......

Its borderline obsessive and pathetic...... mac nearly got us out of this league after years of obscurity. 

Fair enough there's plenty of criticisms of the man..... I get it.

I suggest a song from a famous Disney film..... 

Not that many years in a lifetime really. 

Never been  relegated to Div 1 either since Jim Smith .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/derby-county/3014369/Smiths-reign-at-Derby-comes-to-an-end.html

[Mostyn6]

7 minutes ago, curtains said:

I've bookmarked the fact you said no improvement in performance last night and I say that is not correct.

 

 

bookmarked for what? You either agree or disagree. It's not a future comment, it's a subjective opinion, and if you disagree, so be it. We move on to the next topic. If we go down the route of what people said years back in a different context, you'd look very very silly.

7 minutes ago, mwram1973 said:

Not sure I agree with that, the performance last night reminded me of Leicester when they were in the championship, constant pressure and fast,direct, decisive football which I thought Nugent and Vydra thrived on.

However I do agree it's too soon for happy clapping, but every team we play will get chances, that's football and it happens to even the best teams. The fact is they hit the post, they didn't score, we won.

I'm really liking how rowett is talking and how he's looking to set this team up.

my point is that it's not right to isolate a positive performance but ONLY compare to a negative performance. Why not compare it to previous positive performances? McClaren had positive performances this season, and I expect Rowett will have negative performances in the coming weeks. But I won't be quick to judge as it's the overall that counts, not the isolated.

7 minutes ago, EastHertsRam said:

You know, one of the very few negatives about this forum for me is the need for some people to label others. It appears we are either happy clappers or wrist slashers.

It appears to be frowned upon to be impressed or optimistic  after weeks of mediocrity to be buoyed by a performance like last night's and I'm sick of know it all smart arses putting a dampener on the feelgood factor many feel today.

Yeah Rangers hit the post from yet another set piece situation but Rowett alluded to that in his interview and will be dealing with it before the next game, I'm sure of it. He might not be able to fix it to his satisfaction until the summer but I for one think he's on the case to this specific problem.

EHR, as someone pigeon-holed into a 'brigade' during the Clough years, I understand and agree. But this is specifically aimed at a poster who seeks attention and flip-flops opinion at an alarming rate. That aside, we were not brilliant last night. Positive yes, brilliant No. Work in progress clearly. Rowett is an impressive football man, and I've always said that. But it's too soon to be rubbing people's noses in it.

6 minutes ago, valleyram said:

These players are good enough to get the club into premiership 

I'm no so sure the attitude has been right with certain players with certain managers 

what I am certain of is rowett won't put up with them 

hard work and the right attitude will get derby promoted I'm sure next season and if we can sneak into play offs this season there is nothing to fear , in fact I'm sure the other 3 teams who looked nailed on for the play offs won't want to see us finish 6th 

These players are not good enough to get into the Premiership. 

[Curtains]

3 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

bookmarked for what? You either agree or disagree. It's not a future comment, it's a subjective opinion, and if you disagree, so be it. We move on to the next topic. If we go down the route of what people said years back in a different context, you'd look very very silly.

my point is that it's not right to isolate a positive performance but ONLY compare to a negative performance. Why not compare it to previous positive performances? McClaren had positive performances this season, and I expect Rowett will have negative performances in the coming weeks. But I won't be quick to judge as it's the overall that counts, not the isolated.

EHR, as someone pigeon-holed into a 'brigade' during the Clough years, I understand and agree. But this is specifically aimed at a poster who seeks attention and flip-flops opinion at an alarming rate. That aside, we were not brilliant last night. Positive yes, brilliant No. Work in progress clearly. Rowett is an impressive football man, and I've always said that. But it's too soon to be rubbing people's noses in it.

These players are not good enough to get into the Premiership. 

I'd look silly wanting Rowett for like ever would I. 

I don't think so. 

I had to deal with the cards dealt and try and support the Club DCFC. 

What was I supposed to do say all the other managers were carp. 

I liked Clement and tried to be constructive about the others. 

[Mostyn6]

Just now, curtains said:

I'd look silly wanting Rowett for like ever would I. 

no, you wanted Pearson.

[Curtains]

3 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said:

no, you wanted Pearson.

I didn't want Pearson I wanted Rowett and he was always my first choice even over Clement but we couldn't get him for one reason or another. 

I tried to be constructive about our managers and back them as best I could. 

I am delighted we have  Rowett.

You will say I didn't want Andre Gray next. 

[Day]

21 minutes ago, Mafiabob said:

I suggest a song from a famous Disney film..... 

Now I'm the king of the swingers, oh
The jungle VIP
I've reached the top and had to stop
And that's what botherin' me
I wanna be a man, mancub
And stroll right into town
And be just like the other men
I'm tired of monkeyin' around!

[Mr Tibbs]

1 hour ago, Ninos said:

Yeah yeah yeah. If I'm on Pluto then so were 27,789 others.

Or just completely ignore what I'd quoted to take the conversation out of context.

 

To the current topic of choice.... Whilst not wanting to "label" anybody on here, the one extreme to the other swing is pretty clear to see. I think all a few people are asking is to not jump the gun, we've been here before and yet a couple of months down the line the same people who were over the moon with the manager will be calling for his head. It's happened twice this season already. 

Enjoy it, for sure but we need to chill out a bit and not put any unwanted pressure on GR and the players. It'd be nice to see this support and backing when the chips are down but unfortunately we haven't seen much of that from our fans in the last couple of seasons. 

[Mostyn6]

3 minutes ago, curtains said:

I didn't want Pearson I wanted Rowett and he was always my first choice even over Clement but we couldn't get him for one reason or another. 

I tried to be constructive about our managers and back them as best I could. 

I am delighted we have  Rowett.

You will say I didn't want Andre Gray next. 

well, If i was such a person who bookmarked things for future use, I would have a bookmark or three contradicting what you've just said. But I'm not bitter and twisted.

I will say, I am quietly optimistic that Rowett is the man, but a lot will depend on how he alters the squad in the summer and if he's allowed to get rid of certain players.

 

[Curtains]

1 minute ago, Mostyn6 said:

well, If i was such a person who bookmarked things for future use, I would have a bookmark or three contradicting what you've just said. But I'm not bitter and twisted.

I will say, I am quietly optimistic that Rowett is the man, but a lot will depend on how he alters the squad in the summer and if he's allowed to get rid of certain players.

 

I'm not saying after Pearson was appointed I didn't back him because I did. 

Of course I wanted him to succeed as I do DCFC .

Fans have different interpretations on expectations and success as you and I do. 

Happy Days. 

[Mostyn6]

1 minute ago, curtains said:

I'm not saying after Pearson was appointed I didn't back him because I did. 

Of course I wanted him to succeed as I do DCFC .

Fans have different interpretations on expectations and success as you and I do. 

Happy Days. 

I would argue that after the first 5, 10 and even 15 games, you'd have struggled to find any TRUE Derby fan who thought the appointment of McClaren was not "Mel has got it right". So my point is, 2 games is not even close to being enough. Especially with a trigger happy chairman in charge.

[ram1964]

Early days,nothing against GR sure he will distinguish himself as a good manager here or else where.

We have already had potentionally good managers but the faults have been laid by Mel backing players rather than his managers. Some thing that has hopefully been laid to rest.

Good performance last night though, but still need to close games down and finish it off rather than the last few mins we had against Qpr.