WoollyJumper Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 11 hours ago, Nuwtfly said: Don't let the facts get in the way of your point, Steve... Heaven forbid that a lot in the media, and on this forum did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archied Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 The more you think it through ,the more the whole laughing on the touch line whilst his Derby team were lay down lambs of an embarrassment becomes a massive thing to an owner who is a fanatic fan too ? Let's be honest how does a manager daft enough to let himself be seen that way at that time have the slightest hope in hell of instilling the kind of do or die spirit in his players ? Again speculation from me but maybe ,just maybe Mel did bring Pearson in to shake things up and rebuild a team / squad that Mel and a lot of fans felt didn't have the steel to get us up but then lost his bottle a bit when the players downed tools ( let's be honest here they did to a massive extent no matter how you slice it) and brings back Mac ,,, works for a short spell then back to business as usual , we drop the ball and become the keystone cops of football teams again culminating with the Brighton embarrassment and Mel suddenly thinks i was right to want a rebuild with a stronger manager ( though perhaps not Pearson) ,, decides there and then to get Mac out now and rowett in ,,, could also be as simple as rowett was lined up and clever patience by both ( new owners coming in at brum uncertainty) worked out financially better for us and rowett ,, either or any which way I'm glad we have got rid of a stale management merry go round Mac and given a chance to an up and coming ambitious rowett with just the right amount of experience and personality to be really worth a punt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverurie Ram Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Or maybe after the Brighton game, SM left his leather zipped file a fax opened and out popped his latest copy of Razzle, which landied right in the lap of Chairman Mel who then suddenly realised that his coach's plan A's most definitely lowered the tone, his plan B's were far too big and bouncy and as for some of the plan C's, well they were completely shocking and there was only one thing Mel could think of, the sack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyhill60 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Only football fans would take that touchline incident and read anything negative into it. At most it was a bit of gallows humour. Was any do or die spirit in evidence against Bristol City? Of course it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Ram Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 4 hours ago, sunnyhill60 said: Only football fans would take that touchline incident and read anything negative into it. At most it was a bit of gallows humour. Was any do or die spirit in evidence against Bristol City? Of course it was. The touchline incident just serves to reinforce what we already believe about Mac - in my case it's a bloke having a laugh with a mate when it's all going wrong at work. Hope I'm not sacked when I do that. I'm sure I've read that Rowett had been lined up for a while so it was just a question of when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 8 hours ago, Ellafella said: ..apart from the fact that it was with Hughton not Houghton. Just sayin' 8 hours ago, EastHertsRam said: You know, I wonder how much that laughing and joking with Houghton played a part in sealing his fate. Probably had none of course but if Mel's sitting there seething at the performance and that flashes up on his screen, he might think, what's so funny Steve ? You're sacked, laugh about that. There's a time and a place for levity but 3 nil down and playing pony ain't it. Maybe Steve went to Chris and said 'Houghton we have a problem', que hilarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 16 hours ago, ramsbottom said: Christ I've just gone through this whole thread and still don't know who's back doors Collymore used to smash in. Waste of my time!!! Patricia Routledge. itk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, RamNut said: Patricia Routledge. itk. Is it true it's like a bucket? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 I honestly believe that Mac 2 was nothing but a stop gap and there was no long term plan with him. Something serious had happened with Pearson for him to be sacked in the way he was. We were sitting in the relegation zone, couldn't score for love nor money, at 9 games into the season most good managers are already in work so why not get in a manager who knows most of squad, plays decent football and is good enough to turn fortunes around for a while? It was the safest option IMO. Obviously if Mac would have kept winning and kept us around the top 6 Mel wouldn't have needed to change, but whilst we dropped away from the play offs and Rowett was available Mel made his move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 12 hours ago, DerbyMark said: I'd sooner have dire efficient promotion-right-now-at-any-cost football Well this is what Uncle Mel has said he specifically doesn't want - Because it's this kind of attitude which made us the worst team in history last time we went up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 33 minutes ago, David said: Is it true it's like a bucket? No but it smells like a bouquet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyMark Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, cheron85 said: Well this is what Uncle Mel has said he specifically doesn't want - Because it's this kind of attitude which made us the worst team in history last time we went up Slightly disagree with that. What made us the worst team in history was the poison dwarf saying 'we're not ready, we're two years too early' etc Having already over achieved, according to that, the players had an excuse to then massively under achieve.. That and the sheer lack of Premiership-quality signings in the close season, of course. I mean, Eddie Lewis...Claude Davis, god help us lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, DerbyMark said: Slightly disagree with that. What made us the worst team in history was the poison dwarf saying 'we're not ready, we're two years too early' etc Having already over achieved, according to that, the players had an excuse to then massively under achieve.. That and the sheer lack of Premiership-quality signings in the close season, of course. I mean, Eddie Lewis...Claude Davis, god help us lol I know, when we signed lewis my heart sunk and I knew that was it. We spent ages chasing a 6 million pound signing who's name eludes me right now, he ended up at Sunderland. We spent about 6 million in total compared with Sunderland who spent about 40 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Kenyn Jones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 14 minutes ago, Paul71 said: I know, when we signed lewis my heart sunk and I knew that was it. We spent ages chasing a 6 million pound signing who's name eludes me right now, he ended up at Sunderland. We spent about 6 million in total compared with Sunderland who spent about 40 million. Kenwyn Jones. We were also at one point willing to sell Howard and recently signed Earnshaw to fund Nugent. Including the January 2007 signings we spent £15,000,000 and I reckon only Jones and Mears were worth even signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 45 minutes ago, DerbyMark said: Slightly disagree with that. What made us the worst team in history was the poison dwarf saying 'we're not ready, we're two years too early' etc Having already over achieved, according to that, the players had an excuse to then massively under achieve.. That and the sheer lack of Premiership-quality signings in the close season, of course. I mean, Eddie Lewis...Claude Davis, god help us lol I don't disagree with your assessment on signings but I disagree with your reasoning on why we were bad - We were bad because basically NONE of the players were good enough David Jones and Tyrone Mears were the only players to go on to play at a decent level - Everyone else ended up lower-end Championship or lower... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 What people seem to forget about our squad in the prem was that it was largely made up of the same players we got promoted with, and the squad we got promoted with was almost exactly the same as the squad that finished just above the relegation zone the season before. Fluke promotion, we were a mid-table Championship team, in my opinion. On the note of McClaren, and what he says, I don't really care. I don't think I've ever heard Steve say anything interesting or different from "standard manager responses" since he was England manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 26 minutes ago, SaintRam said: What people seem to forget about our squad in the prem was that it was largely made up of the same players we got promoted with, and the squad we got promoted with was almost exactly the same as the squad that finished just above the relegation zone the season before. Fluke promotion, we were a mid-table Championship team, in my opinion. On the note of McClaren, and what he says, I don't really care. I don't think I've ever heard Steve say anything interesting or different from "standard manager responses" since he was England manager. Did you not see his interview in dutch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 2 minutes ago, Simsy said: Did you not see his interview in dutch? I did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 32 minutes ago, SaintRam said: What people seem to forget about our squad in the prem was that it was largely made up of the same players we got promoted with, and the squad we got promoted with was almost exactly the same as the squad that finished just above the relegation zone the season before. Fluke promotion, we were a mid-table Championship team, in my opinion. My point exactly - Although I think calling us a mid-table team at that point is generous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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