In Gary we trust?

[archied]

Ok serious question,,, for a moment let's forget Mel and any doubts we have around his ability to keep his finger off the button, this is a question for us fans.

the job starts on Saturday , picking the teams from our squad , do we as fans trust him to judge which of our players are the ones who we can build around and which are for whatever reason not going to be right for us , that will involve perhaps some fans favs not getting in the team and perhaps some players getting in who on the face of it may not be as individually talented ?

i don't think any of us can deny being confused as to the sheer unpredictability of our individual and team performances with romours of player power and bad eggs? 

Pearson very quickly alluded to this but in all honesty lots of us had concerns around Pearson personality as a manager and perhaps feared he was the type to be trigger happy ,stubborn and too prepared to cut his nose off to spite his face with his perceived abrasiveness becoming a confusing part of the problem so much so that fans and Mel perhaps didn't trust his judgement to do the best for Derby county ? 

To me rowett appears on the surface to be an articulate intelligent football man who builds from the first basic that teams have to be disciplined, honest and hard working in training and on the pitch, I for one am prepared to trust him to build our team and squad even if short term I may feel that better players aren't getting/staying in the team ( if that becomes the case )

 

do you trust Gary rowett ? And will you trust his team selections and judgements of our current playing staff

 

[Spenno]

It's difficult to tell this is a completely different scenario compared to the ones he found himself in at burton and birmingham but from the outside he does appear to be a good choice and he certainly speaks well (similar to clement honest, intelligent and pragmatic). One thing is for certain mel Morris won't accept failure I for one don't get the hysteria with his quick fire policy I remember the media etc up in arms about Watford (think they got through 5 or 6 managers over a 2 year period) but look at them now. Good luck to Rowett starting on Saturday!!!

[I am Ram]

In Gary i trust, in the player's i don't.

[archied]

7 minutes ago, Spenno said:

It's difficult to tell this is a completely different scenario compared to the ones he found himself in at burton and birmingham but from the outside he does appear to be a good choice and he certainly speaks well (similar to clement honest, intelligent and pragmatic). One thing is for certain mel Morris won't accept failure I for one don't get the hysteria with his quick fire policy I remember the media etc up in arms about Watford (think they got through 5 or 6 managers over a 2 year period) but look at them now. Good luck to Rowett starting on Saturday!!!

I'm also with you a bit on the mel trigger happy question ,, the fact is that Mel is the owner and a very passionate one at that ,he wants and needs a manager he can trust and build a working relationship with , of course that will take some give and take on both sides , really believe that Mel is looking for the manager / owner relationship that is going to be a bit like a marraige , I think he wants a manager who includes him( rather than control the manager) and one he can get excited about Derby county with ,chew the fat ,share his vision for the club and certainly feel the same pain when we are dire ( Mac laughing on the touch line as we embareesed ourselves at Brighton will have been massive I believe) , personally I'm ok with him being ruthless in that search for the right man for him to work with in taking us to where he wants us to be,,

i have a sneaking feeling rowett may turn out to be very much that man

[WilkoRam]

I think Rowett will benefit from what has preceded him and therefore will be given time to build. I don't mind the sackings of McClaren and Pearson as I didn't have faith in them when they were appointed. I see Rowett as being more like Clement. Clement suffered from coming in after a season and a half of "exciting" football. Where we saw free flowing moves. What gets missed is he turned a team with a very soft underbelly into a solid team. We were also one of the leagues top scorers when he left and we were a work in progress. He, however, was never given the time that I expect Rowett will. We may not play the football of a few seasons ago but I believe he will make us solid, hard working and he will have game plans. People seem to have forgotten that a main criticism of SM in his first tenure was a lack of a plan B and he didn't seem able to alter anything when a team was set up to counter our style. I believe Rowett will and it's for that reason I trust him. He will get a system to suit the players rather that blindly stick to what he prefers (a fault of SM and NP who were stubborn to their preferred system). We may see some favourites out for the benefit of the larger team game plan but that's why this is a team game. Hopefully the fans will have faith in him. 

[BathRam72]

43 minutes ago, WilkoRam said:

I think Rowett will benefit from what has preceded him and therefore will be given time to build. I don't mind the sackings of McClaren and Pearson as I didn't have faith in them when they were appointed. I see Rowett as being more like Clement. Clement suffered from coming in after a season and a half of "exciting" football. Where we saw free flowing moves. What gets missed is he turned a team with a very soft underbelly into a solid team. We were also one of the leagues top scorers when he left and we were a work in progress. He, however, was never given the time that I expect Rowett will. We may not play the football of a few seasons ago but I believe he will make us solid, hard working and he will have game plans. People seem to have forgotten that a main criticism of SM in his first tenure was a lack of a plan B and he didn't seem able to alter anything when a team was set up to counter our style. I believe Rowett will and it's for that reason I trust him. He will get a system to suit the players rather that blindly stick to what he prefers (a fault of SM and NP who were stubborn to their preferred system). We may see some favourites out for the benefit of the larger team game plan but that's why this is a team game. Hopefully the fans will have faith in him. 

I agree with you on the Clement thing. Derby were in a pretty good position when he got fired. Something must have upset Billy the Kid "AKA MM".

Clement seems to be doing a fairly good job at Swansea with a poor team in a hard division. I do believe had he been given time, he too would have succeeded.

Now we need to give Gary time and let him make ALL the playing decisions and who stays and who goes.

Getting excited once again, fingers crossed.

[Seth's left foot]

Yes.

[TroyDyer]

1 hour ago, WilkoRam said:

I think Rowett will benefit from what has preceded him and therefore will be given time to build. I don't mind the sackings of McClaren and Pearson as I didn't have faith in them when they were appointed. I see Rowett as being more like Clement. Clement suffered from coming in after a season and a half of "exciting" football. Where we saw free flowing moves. What gets missed is he turned a team with a very soft underbelly into a solid team. We were also one of the leagues top scorers when he left and we were a work in progress. He, however, was never given the time that I expect Rowett will. We may not play the football of a few seasons ago but I believe he will make us solid, hard working and he will have game plans. People seem to have forgotten that a main criticism of SM in his first tenure was a lack of a plan B and he didn't seem able to alter anything when a team was set up to counter our style. I believe Rowett will and it's for that reason I trust him. He will get a system to suit the players rather that blindly stick to what he prefers (a fault of SM and NP who were stubborn to their preferred system). We may see some favourites out for the benefit of the larger team game plan but that's why this is a team game. Hopefully the fans will have faith in him. 

Agree 100%. 

Sadly I believe if we had stuck by Clement, we would be in the top two now. That's if we hadn't snuck up last year. 

Let's hope MM realises that now, and let's Rowett get on with it. Whinging players should be told to suck it up. 

[MackworthRamIsGod]

I have every faith in Rowett, but very little faith in a large majority of our players. 

These players have failed to play in a 433, 442, 442 diamond...we can't keep blaming it on the manager.

My hope is Rowett has kept an eye on Derby and has seen who the problems are and will pick accordingly.

I always fear when I hear "it's a clean slate", because it means we have to endure Nick Blackman and Camara for a bit until the manager realised they are rammall.

[rynny]

Trust is something that has he has to earn, as with any manager coming in. Just the same way players with have to earn Rowett's trust. He is coming in with a clean slate, what he has done before doesn't, any success/failure is of no consequence of Derby, the same as Pearson, McClaren, Clement. It is a fresh start for Rowett, the players and the board. They all should get judged from now but if the same problems occure again with the players/owners then that is where changes need to happen or trust is lost.

[archram]

From his previous clubs and what he says, he appears to want teams who play for each other, not individuals who play for themselves. I think players who don't show they buy in to this will be left out however good they (think) they are.

Apparently, MM has been keen on getting him here for a while, which hopefully, means he will be given time.

[Van der MoodHoover]

Lots of intelligent comment on this thread.

I thought that the bit of the interview that had me nodding in agreement was when GR talked about the communication between Mel, SR and GR and how important that was to get right.

Same in business really - if the 3 get clear agreement with each other on their roles and responsibilities and then communicate clearly and frequently then that will greatly reduce the risk of failure. GR alluded to his honesty and frankness in communication - he will at least have a short period when he can use his newness to tell Mel as it is with regards to what he is seeing in the squad.

I agree with the poster above that Mel will not want to be excluded by a "this is my job, butt out" kind of manager - again, as in business if you want freedom to act you have to continually earn that by good communication to those around you so the trust levels are high that you are doing sensible things.

[rynny]

10 minutes ago, HantsRam said:

I agree with the poster above that Mel will not want to be excluded by a "this is my job, butt out" kind of manager

Can't help but feel that this is what started the "conversation" that finished with Pearson being suspended.

[Nuwtfly]

Trust Gary? No reason not to. Proven record of getting the most out of under-performing players. Very exciting to see what he can do with out lot + who he will let go/bring in over a crucial summer.

Trust Mel Morris? Not really. What happens when we go on an inevitable bad run? MM the danger for me. Not GR. 

(Happy 1,000th post to me!)

[Gypsy Ram]

But surely if Mel said that this is a 'redevelopment' phase under Gary then he won't be sacked if we hit a bad patch as he is tasked with reshaping the squad?

Sacking Clement was a mistake, hiring then sacking Pearson was a mistake, then bringing Steve back and sacking him was a bigger mistake, lets hope we stick with Gary for at least the Jan 2019. 

[Anag Ram]

Happy to get behind Rowett though Karanka would have been interesting now free.

[Carnero]

3 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

Happy to get behind Rowett though Karanka would have been interesting now free.

If you consider anti-football "interesting" that is.

[eddie]

I don't know what to think any more.

Mel, what do I think?

[cannable]

26 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

Happy to get behind Rowett though Karanka would have been interesting now free.

Good lord. 

I think even those in the "winning football is good football" camp would be bored to tears by the dross Karanky produces. 

[Nuwtfly]

Just listened to Rowett's pre Forest interview on Ramsplayer. Every time I hear him speak I become more and more convinced that this guy is exactly what our team needs. Exciting times!