Mac v Pearson

[archied]

Will Mac beat Pearsons terrible run of games at the start of the season? ( or has he already in this run? I'm no stato) , if he does /has with the fabled 4/3/3 formation does it mean the sack as he s as bad as Pearson , does it mean that Pearson was right and a total rebuild needs to happen? ( please don't tell me Martin would make things right ) ,, personally I think we are lost and getting further and further away from the kind of team clough was putting together , all be it coached well by Mac in his first season,, personally I believe things will get worse before they turn round as a massive clear out and rebuild needs to happen as no matter who we put in the first team ,what formation we put them in they always find a way to not produce ,, the real question left for me is ,, is Mac the man to be given the money to rebuild?

[Yani P]

He has already beaten it over the past 11 games v Pearson's first 11...

[mickram]

Don't think they'll be a great deal of money available to him other than by self funding.

Getting rid of the big hitters will be hard to do.

Case of dejavu here......turn the clock back 7 years with the dross Clough had to shift.

Progress eh Mel ??????

[uttoxram75]

5 minutes ago, mickram said:

Don't think they'll be a great deal of money available to him other than by self funding.

Getting rid of the big hitters will be hard to do.

Case of dejavu here......turn the clock back 7 years with the dross Clough had to shift.

Progress eh Mel ??????

This is the most disappointing thing for me. Our squad has less quality, coherence and team spirit than when Nigel Clough was sacked.

[Bris Vegas]

Key difference. Pearson had a playoff team plus Martin and Hendrick plus an entire window to shape his side. 

Mac has been dealt the clusterfuxk of a squad which Pearson left and the ridiculous weight of expectations from the crowd.

 

[The_Sheriff]

23 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

Key difference. Pearson had a playoff team plus Martin and Hendrick plus an entire window to shape his side. 

Mac has been dealt the clusterfuxk of a squad which Pearson left and the ridiculous weight of expectations from the crowd.

 

Mac also had a transfer window!

[Justa]

27 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said:

Key difference. Pearson had a playoff team plus Martin and Hendrick plus an entire window to shape his side. 

Mac has been dealt the clusterfuxk of a squad which Pearson left and the ridiculous weight of expectations from the crowd.

 

Your actually Steve Mac aren't you ?

[Brammie Steve]

We're losing games, I agree, but the players no longer have the joyful expressions of those in the tumbrel on their way to the guillotine! We are losing by the odd goal in entertaining games which could go either way. 

I don't see drooped shoulders and eleven men afraid to come onto the field of play.

We are simply navigating that fine line between success and failure at present. It won't take too much for us to revert to winning ways and at least relegation is only a remote mathematical possibility. We are headed to mid table mediocrity so get used to it. The 2016--17 season is dead, long live 2017-18!

[RiddingsRam]

22 minutes ago, Simsy said:

Mac also had a transfer window!

Which he had very little money available to him.

[RadioactiveWaste]

23 minutes ago, RiddingsRam said:

Which he had very little money available to him.

I think it was sensible from us not to spend big in January - we brought a defensive midfielder (loan) who is young but highly rated and a vet striker for sensible money who always scores against us.

It was a far cry from spending a summer failing to convince an international to stay and doing all you can to force out the leading scorer of the last three seasons because his ego is a threat to yours....

Had we had a continuation themed summer (under Wassall or anyone else) would we have declined to this level? it's possible, but the way things were so bad I struggle to comprehend how it could have been much worse starting with a team that finished the season before in the play offs and was still capable of giving it a good go on it's day.....to....what we had at the start of the season.......? How? just how? And Pearson was a very popular appointment...."tough guy"....

 

[Ninos]

Same sh**, different hairstyle. One drinks more coffee.

[Ramdoc]

It took Pearson 2-3 years of hard graft to build that tremendous winning Leicester side and another year of hard graft to keep them in the Premiership.We gave him 3 months and wet our pants when the much needed changes resulted in a big temporary downturn in results and performances.Effecting change can be very hard which is why I presume Mel reverted back to the cosy familiarity of McLaren so very early.No way would we have been relegated under Pearson despite what the Pearson-haters claim and at least If he was still in charge we would be part way into the required rebuild and hopefully looking  at a better season next year with a more doughty and aggressive team which is basically what you need more than anything at this level.Oh well roll on next season.That manager at Barnsley looks the business by the way if Rowett doesn't want the job.

[archied]

7 hours ago, steve brummie said:

We're losing games, I agree, but the players no longer have the joyful expressions of those in the tumbrel on their way to the guillotine! We are losing by the odd goal in entertaining games which could go either way. 

I don't see drooped shoulders and eleven men afraid to come onto the field of play.

We are simply navigating that fine line between success and failure at present. It won't take too much for us to revert to winning ways and at least relegation is only a remote mathematical possibility. We are headed to mid table mediocrity so get used to it. The 2016--17 season is dead, long live 2017-18!

For me that's a major theme for us ,, when playing well and winning we are always rizla width away from utter collapse and when we do we are dire ,,we don't seem to have found a manager and backroom staff that can motivate,ignite and excite our players and then keep them engaged and performing ,,  I'm torn between the need for stability and the idea that perhaps we would be better to change managers until we find the one capable of getting rid of this switch off flaw we have developed ,yes you have bad spells in football but we are total Jekyll and Hyde and have been for a long time no matter who we buy or put in the first 11 ,, we seem to change players rather than them changing us no matter how highly rated they were or how good their form before joining or early in their career with us ,,,,, yep have formulated my opinion now ,, we need a manager who can galvanise our club and my gut feeling is Mac is not that manager , finding that manager is the hard bit , glad it's not me responsible to do it

[RadioactiveWaste]

2-3 years to turn a play off side into a play off side?

This massive rebuild wasn't necessary at the end of last season, at the end of last season we needed just a bit more to get over the line.

You can sticker me Pearson hater, but that is based on what he did to DCFC, not his many years at Leicester.

[VulcanRam]

2 hours ago, Ramdoc said:

It took Pearson 2-3 years of hard graft to build that tremendous winning Leicester side and another year of hard graft to keep them in the Premiership.We gave him 3 months and wet our pants when the much needed changes resulted in a big temporary downturn in results and performances.Effecting change can be very hard which is why I presume Mel reverted back to the cosy familiarity of McLaren so very early.No way would we have been relegated under Pearson despite what the Pearson-haters claim and at least If he was still in charge we would be part way into the required rebuild and hopefully looking  at a better season next year with a more doughty and aggressive team which is basically what you need more than anything at this level.Oh well roll on next season.That manager at Barnsley looks the business by the way if Rowett doesn't want the job.

You could say the same about Clement. Brought in to build a whole new ethos at the club, on and off the pitch, and sacked within a few months of starting. Not the Derby way, we were told, we need all these youngsters come through and in the squad, we need all the teams playing the same way.

A few months later, Derby way abandoned, bring in Pearson on a different remit. A few games later, sack Pearson, new remit abandoned, go back to McClaren who we sacked because he wouldn't commit himself to Derby, in the hope that he can do what he did before, close eyes and hope that no-one remembers the last two years. 

And people wonder why we're struggling. Don't worry though, it's all Pearson's fault.

[RadioactiveWaste]

3rd, 8th, 5th......clearly a mess that needed a good Pearson-ing........to go in one summer from "why can't we get over the promotion line" to "I wish we at least looked like might score or even be dangerous a little bit in matches"

I will not let the recent slump or the undoubted other issues over the last couple of seasons gloss over the worst manager we've had since Jewell. To compound it, at lot of the things people are saying you can't blame on.Pearson were things Pearson did to himself,

 

[Brammie Steve]

Anyone who believes that to be a follower of a football team it is a pre-requisite that one's brain and intellect needs to be subsumed in a deluge of inane clichés and inanities has only to peruse sme of the contributions to this topic.

Intelligence has not been "left on a hook at the door" (apologies for using  a cliché, albeit germane to the topic) and the generally articulate and balanced views expressed reflect well on the forum.

 

[Ramdoc]

Yes but radioactive.Finishing in very poor form 3rd 5th and 8th is nowhere near good enough in my opinion for a club of our size and support and aspiration.I still feel a partial rebuild and a change in our playing philosophy was needed to attain promotion

[RadioactiveWaste]

2 minutes ago, Ramdoc said:

Yes but radioactive.Finishing in very poor form 3rd 5th and 8th is nowhere near good enough in my opinion for a club of our size and support and aspiration.I still feel a partial rebuild and a change in our playing philosophy was needed to attain promotion

That's fair enough comment, although we were only in poor form the year we finished 8th really.

I've been properly following Derby since 2000 so getting mad about not being promoted seems draft in the context of the last 15 years.

A lot of fans wanted Pearson at the time. Now in hindsight that constituted abandoning"the derby way" which promoting wassall embodied....and many fans did not like.

 

 

[Alph]

Yeah, Pearson just needed time to take us from the top 6, down to the bottom and then back to the top 6. 

Not a single positive about his time here. Not one. We didnt even score. Nevermind beating WBA and losing to Leicester. Carlisle and Grimsby proved a massive obstacle. He couldn't even sell our top scorer properly. 

Complete rubbish. And just because we're on a bad run that doesn't mean Pearson has suddenly become good. 

Whatever he did at Leicester is irrelevant. Who gives a fook? Paul Jewell came here with a better CV. Good for Leicester and good for Bradford and Wigan. No use to us at all. If football worked like that then Fernando Torres would be a Chelsea legend. 

Whatever he does in the future is irrelevant.

He was useless here.  No positives at all.

It's like the Vydra situation. If you want people to keep giving you chances then give them an excuse to overlook your shortcomings. 

I can forgive a bad start. We started bad under Clement. But against Charlton at home and Brum away we saw that there's something there. Maybe let him grow into the job. And he started doing better.  

Pearson. No positives. Our best performance was Ipswich at home I think? Which we lost. 

Don't get me wrong, this is pretty pants now. But Pearson was useless

Pointless, arrogant, immature, boring, ignorant and useless lego blockhead tosspot. 

Although I didn't call for him sacked. This club and the mardy fans need to chill. So much crying that I think the Barnsley game will be called off for a waterlogged pitch.

We gave Nigel years and you get a taste of promotion and it has to be now or never. Something doesn't work so you want to sell all the players on the same day and start again. How many players played last night and at Wembley? 

It's ****. Hold your breath and carry on