Wolfie20 Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 The point about missing Thorne is interesting. GT is our most creative 'defensive' player, capable either of playing the really telling through balls but also having the ability to support the attacking midfield. When he's there and on his game (and not playing at 80% effectiveness due to just coming back from injury), this allows Will to operate 20 yards further forward - in an area where his speed of thought and slick short passing is at its' most effective. Players such as Ince, Russell and Bryson then look better for it. I have no doubt that his effect on the team this season has not been what it was - due to a combination of injury, loss of form by some of the supporting players and the continuing absence of George Thorne. I still think, in the right team with better players around him, he'd be superb - and he's not even 22 yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 minute ago, Wolfie20 said: The point about missing Thorne is interesting The point about missing Thorne is nonsense - they've barely played together. Hughes missed most of last season, Thorne most of the season before. Even the few months they had at the end of 2013/14, Hughes was in and out of the team because we were being careful with his back (IIRC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 First season back after a bad injury, can't expect miracles and we lack a centre forward who holds the ball up and an attacking midfielder to feed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsy1884 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Hughes cant carry everyone. We look devoid of anything with him out of the team. Comparing him and butterfield is laughable the guy always looks for the safe pass and offers very little. Although it doesnt help either of them that Bent is nowhere to be seen. We have a lack of CM coverage since the ostrich sold Hendrick and failed to find a replacement instead splashing the cash on Vydra. Hughes needs a rest only a 2 man midfield with ince infront would do the trick i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I thought this thread was an advert for a legal firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 The bloke next to me on Saturday said after Bennett came on Will Hughes body language changed, he seemed more positive, as though he knew the quality Bennett had and that having him on could mean we would attack more. Not sure where he got all that from, but I went with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Will is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Tibbs Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 14 hours ago, Tombo said: He's not been his amazing self recently but that statement is rubbish and you know it. If I can't have that opinion then you definitely can't post "amazing self". Previous to this season maybe, can't think of many games this year where he has been anywhere near amazing. For the ability he has he hasn't done anywhere near enough for me. I got a similar reaction when I called him out earlier on in the season and whilst Nigel Pearson didn't do him any favours position wise, he was still far off his high standards when doing just the basics. I was harsh on Hendrick whilst here, having one good game in 4 or 5. I don't see Will doing any different this year unfortunately. Still, we have him tied down so hopefully he can push on next year to that next level. Just a side point and a general question, as a youngster the majority of us said he'd play in the PL and become an England regular as a minimum during his career, do most people still believe this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheresOnlyWanChope Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Doesn't look 100 per cent. One of the most gifted young footballers I've ever seen in a Derby shirt, the way he holds the ball, his vision and decision making all excellent, he seems to get kicked a lot by opposition because they can't get near him and he is an excellent creative player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 37 minutes ago, Mr Tibbs said: If I can't have that opinion then you definitely can't post "amazing self". Previous to this season maybe, can't think of many games this year where he has been anywhere near amazing. For the ability he has he hasn't done anywhere near enough for me. I got a similar reaction when I called him out earlier on in the season and whilst Nigel Pearson didn't do him any favours position wise, he was still far off his high standards when doing just the basics. I was harsh on Hendrick whilst here, having one good game in 4 or 5. I don't see Will doing any different this year unfortunately. Still, we have him tied down so hopefully he can push on next year to that next level. Just a side point and a general question, as a youngster the majority of us said he'd play in the PL and become an England regular as a minimum during his career, do most people still believe this? Spot on that Pearson didn't do him any favours position wise. The first few games he had him on the bench. Very difficult to influence a game from there. I know what you mean though he had him playing in a defensive midfield role when he did select him. Clueless Ostrich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 IMO there's clear pattern in this and I might be stating the obvious... Earlier: Hughes playing well, Butters not. At the moment: Butter playing well, Hughes not. Roles will change back once Hughes is fully fit again They are too similar, even though obviously there a lot of difference too. But movement of the ball is similar and it will always hold the other one down. Only one can have the ball and that's when they both excel. Far from ideal pairing, Butters should be back up for Hughes. At the moment, there's not many options is there? IMO rolewise there would be much to do, let Hughes have the ball and let him roam everywhere, tackle everywhere, knit team together. Schoolyard approach, Hughes should be where the ball is. Butters should be playing higher, behind Bent (and be frustrated without the ball). He has good shot in him, so should offer enough there. IMO they play too rigidly side by side, I'd like to see more vertical positioning when we have the ball. That's of course down to management, they've preferred this kind of approach since that awful draw against Birmingham years ago. Unfortunately. We should make such changes (and have Bucko back) if we want to see similar slick passing play like during Mac1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 4 hours ago, duncanjwitham said: The point about missing Thorne is nonsense - they've barely played together. Hughes missed most of last season, Thorne most of the season before. Even the few months they had at the end of 2013/14, Hughes was in and out of the team because we were being careful with his back (IIRC). Exactly where did I say they had played together on a regular basis? I was highlighting the strengths of both players and in my opinion, they would complement each other to maximise the benefit gor the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 10 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: Exactly where did I say they had played together on a regular basis? I was highlighting the strengths of both players and in my opinion, they would complement each other to maximise the benefit gor the team. Maybe not so much you as the guy you were responding to, but if Hughes is 'missing' Thorne, then the implication is that he plays worse when Thorne isn't in the team. And they've played together relatively rarely, so there's not enough evidence to say either way. And Hughes has had any number of fantastic games without Thorne in there as well. For what it's worth, I agree - Hughes is best when he's got licence to roam, find space and get on the ball, and having someone like Thorne in behind should him let him do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Mr Tibbs said: If I can't have that opinion then you definitely can't post "amazing self". Previous to this season maybe, can't think of many games this year where he has been anywhere near amazing. For the ability he has he hasn't done anywhere near enough for me. I got a similar reaction when I called him out earlier on in the season and whilst Nigel Pearson didn't do him any favours position wise, he was still far off his high standards when doing just the basics. I was harsh on Hendrick whilst here, having one good game in 4 or 5. I don't see Will doing any different this year unfortunately. Still, we have him tied down so hopefully he can push on next year to that next level. Just a side point and a general question, as a youngster the majority of us said he'd play in the PL and become an England regular as a minimum during his career, do most people still believe this? YES. If you put Messi in our team surrounded by the tosh players we have up front and in the middle (minus Ince) plus the slow as snail movement from the back, you think he'd do any better? Through balls would go to no one because they wouldn't see the things he sees. Balls passed to him wouldn't come back quick enough. Stick WH next to a lallana or coutinho a hazard or cazorla or behind an ibrahimovic and he'd become a superstar in his own right. Yes he's that good he's just on the wrong team, and sadly that's our team. We need better, more intelligent players (ala Thorne) playing behind alongside and in front of him. The only area of improvement for him is his goalscoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 11 hours ago, Ninos said: I read the Villa forum after the match and someone there was saying that WH was the easily the best player on the pitch. We've gotten used to his constant magic so much so that if he isn't fantastic to we who regularly see him, then he's sort of poor in our eyes. Thorne suffered the same fate last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 If Butterfield performed that way that Hughes has been recently he would be getting a lot of stick. Yet as Hughes is the one performing poorly it is swept under the carpet. I know Hughes is young, but he's an experienced player now, and needs to perform better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superzak Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I remember a certain John Gregory joining Derby going back a few years lol He used to play some cracking balls through the opposition defence ..to no one. He was called useless and past it...the truth was he was used to playing with first division players not the 3rd division players he was now surrounded by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Hobhead Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Andicis said: If Butterfield performed that way that Hughes has been recently he would be getting a lot of stick. Yet as Hughes is the one performing poorly it is swept under the carpet. I know Hughes is young, but he's an experienced player now, and needs to perform better. The most honest post in the thread. Hughes is seemingly allowed and excused bad performances. And I don't mind that. But why aren't others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 28 minutes ago, Warren Hobhead said: The most honest post in the thread. Hughes is seemingly allowed and excused bad performances. And I don't mind that. But why aren't others? Completely agree, some players are let off so much more than others, it's double standards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arch Deacon Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 4 hours ago, Warren Hobhead said: The most honest post in the thread. Hughes is seemingly allowed and excused bad performances. And I don't mind that. But why aren't others? Totally agree. I read interestingly that most think Will's poor form is down to a crap front line, a shaky defence and a weak midfield around him. Any poor form from Butterfield is down to Butterfield.......apparently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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