Ellafella Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Good to see these guys selected for the squad last night. Hughes took a blow to the back last night but should be fit for Saturday With Bryson suspended for Huddersfield away, what are the options for midfield. Hughes for me is the first name on the team sheet; what are the other permutations? 1. Johnson in the "holding" role with Hughes and Butterfield as the play-makers? 2. Hanson in the "holding" role with Hughes and Butterfield as the play-makers? 3. Rawson in the "holding" role with Hughes and Johnson as the play-makers? These are the main options for me. I would really like to see Rawson given a chance in the holding role. I think he would do a very good job and although Johnson is looking tidy in the holding role, I think we need a bit more physicality alongside Hughes. Rawson has a very good brain and reads the game well, he has quick feet for a big lad, and has muscle. I would throw him in there. I don't expect too many to agree. However, I think that the combination of Hughes and Butterfield doesn't really do it. Butterfield seems to have lost that edge and seems to have become a sideways passer. Although Johnson has performed very well as the holder ( and clearly Mac believes he's solved the issue with him there) I think we lose Johnson's vision - he can pick a good pass up to the front which is where we are deficient right now and why I believe our goals have dried. Thoughts anyone please? To what extent should McClaren "experiment"? I think we have to be bold and inventive right now because whilst we have improved since the "PE Teacher" left, we are still only 80% of the team that we were last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I'd prefer Hanson in the holding role, but only if Johnson gets injured, or more likely at the moment, suspended - believe he's on 4 yellows? Play both and you'd lose the creativity of one of Hughes or Butterfield. Option 1 is working defensively. Just need time to work on it going forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Animal is a Ram said: I'd prefer Hanson in the holding role, but only if Johnson gets injured, or more likely at the moment, suspended - believe he's on 4 yellows? Play both and you'd lose the creativity of one of Hughes or Butterfield. Option 1 is working defensively. Just need time to work on it going forwards. Good post thanks. So for you, it's about getting Hughes and Butterfield working together better. Butterfield was quite a regular goal-scorer last season, and often got into positions around the 18 yard area...so far, he hasn't seemed to get into the same advanced positions. He seems to hold the ball more and then spray it wide. Do you think he needs to thread the ball forward more? Do you agree he seems to be "off par" or am I expecting too much of him before he's had a chance to get a run of games under his belt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 12 minutes ago, Ellafella said: Good to see these guys selected for the squad last night. Hughes took a blow to the back last night but should be fit for Saturday With Bryson suspended for Huddersfield away, what are the options for midfield. Hughes for me is the first name on the team sheet; what are the other permutations? 1. Johnson in the "holding" role with Hughes and Butterfield as the play-makers? 2. Hanson in the "holding" role with Hughes and Butterfield as the play-makers? 3. Rawson in the "holding" role with Hughes and Johnson as the play-makers? These are the main options for me. I would really like to see Rawson given a chance in the holding role. I think he would do a very good job and although Johnson is looking tidy in the holding role, I think we need a bit more physicality alongside Hughes. Rawson has a very good brain and reads the game well, he has quick feet for a big lad, and has muscle. I would throw him in there. I don't expect too many to agree. However, I think that the combination of Hughes and Butterfield doesn't really do it. Butterfield seems to have lost that edge and seems to have become a sideways passer. Although Johnson has performed very well as the holder ( and clearly Mac believes he's solved the issue with him there) I think we lose Johnson's vision - he can pick a good pass up to the front which is where we are deficient right now and why I believe our goals have dried. Thoughts anyone please? To what extent should McClaren "experiment"? I think we have to be bold and inventive right now because whilst we have improved since the "PE Teacher" left, we are still only 80% of the team that we were last season. How many times have you seen Rawson play? He is nowhere near good enough on the ball to play DCM. Make his debut in a position he has never played before? Really? I imagine they would go with Hanson with Johnson and Butterfield in front of him if tey stick with 433. Personally in that formation, I would leave Johnson at DCM and play Butterfield and Elsnik in front of them. However they may go with 4231 and get Johnson and Butterfield to sit and play Ince behind Vydra with Anya and Russell either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TelTheRam Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 6 minutes ago, Ellafella said: Good post thanks. So for you, it's about getting Hughes and Butterfield working together better. Butterfield was quite a regular goal-scorer last season, and often got into positions around the 18 yard area...so far, he hasn't seemed to get into the same advanced positions. He seems to hold the ball more and then spray it wide. Do you think he needs to thread the ball forward more? Do you agree he seems to be "off par" or am I expecting too much of him before he's had a chance to get a run of games under his belt? I think everyone is a little off par with their passing game at the moment. It seems to be taking a while to get that quality back again after not doing it early season. Hopefully it will come soon. I also don't think Butterfield or Hughes have had that much on for 'threading' the ball to the forwards. Leeds didn't allow space behind, but last night there was miles of space. Unfortunately no-one really used it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 6 minutes ago, sage said: How many times have you seen Rawson play? He is nowhere near good enough on the ball to play DCM. Make his debut in a position he has never played before? Really? I imagine they would go with Hanson with Johnson and Butterfield in front of him if tey stick with 433. Personally in that formation, I would leave Johnson at DCM and play Butterfield and Elsnik in front of them. However they may go with 4231 and get Johnson and Butterfield to sit and play Ince behind Vydra with Anya and Russell either side. I've seen him play 3 times. How many times have you seen him play? Steve Evans the erstwhile Rotherham manager said Rawson will play in the Premiership after seeing him play less than a dozen times. Rotherham fans raved about him. To play the CDM, you need a good brain to read the play, good physique, a strong tackler/blocker, and an ability to see and play a simple pass. You don't have to be Lionel Messi. Rawson possesses those qualities more than sufficiently. He can head very well and he is quick for a big guy. No mention of Hughes in your reply? Where is he in your scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Ellafella said: Good post thanks. So for you, it's about getting Hughes and Butterfield working together better. Butterfield was quite a regular goal-scorer last season, and often got into positions around the 18 yard area...so far, he hasn't seemed to get into the same advanced positions. He seems to hold the ball more and then spray it wide. Do you think he needs to thread the ball forward more? Do you agree he seems to be "off par" or am I expecting too much of him before he's had a chance to get a run of games under his belt? Bryson's horrendously out of form, and IMHO is on the decline, Johnson's doing well at DM. Butterfield is, more often than not, picking the right passes. Once he starts really linking up with the front 3, he'll become more effective. The goal ruled out for offside vs Leeds was the perfect example of what he's capable of, inch perfect pass to Ince started the move. But what Butterfield also needs is the front 3 to move. If they are static, it won't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 17 minutes ago, Ellafella said: I've seen him play 3 times. How many times have you seen him play? Steve Evans the erstwhile Rotherham manager said Rawson will play in the Premiership after seeing him play less than a dozen times. Rotherham fans raved about him. To play the CDM, you need a good brain to read the play, good physique, a strong tackler/blocker, and an ability to see and play a simple pass. You don't have to be Lionel Messi. Rawson possesses those qualities more than sufficiently. He can head very well and he is quick for a big guy. No mention of Hughes in your reply? Where is he in your scheme? I've seen him play around 6 or 7 times. To play this position you have to be able to receive the ball in reasonably tight situations and play passes off both feet as well as your defensive work. Other than being taller than Hanson I can't think of a single reason why you would prefer Rawson there. Huddersfield aren't even a long ball team. I didn't mention Hughes in my reply because the premise of you post is what do we do if Hughes is injured and Bryson is suspended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Johnson has the experience that the team needs. He also cost a lot of money and Mel would not want to see such a player sat on the bench for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Ellafella said: Good to see these guys selected for the squad last night. Hughes took a blow to the back last night but should be fit for Saturday With Bryson suspended for Huddersfield away, what are the options for midfield. Hughes for me is the first name on the team sheet; what are the other permutations? 1. Johnson in the "holding" role with Hughes and Butterfield as the play-makers? 2. Hanson in the "holding" role with Hughes and Butterfield as the play-makers? 3. Rawson in the "holding" role with Hughes and Johnson as the play-makers? These are the main options for me. I would really like to see Rawson given a chance in the holding role. I think he would do a very good job and although Johnson is looking tidy in the holding role, I think we need a bit more physicality alongside Hughes. Rawson has a very good brain and reads the game well, he has quick feet for a big lad, and has muscle. I would throw him in there. I don't expect too many to agree. However, I think that the combination of Hughes and Butterfield doesn't really do it. Butterfield seems to have lost that edge and seems to have become a sideways passer. Although Johnson has performed very well as the holder ( and clearly Mac believes he's solved the issue with him there) I think we lose Johnson's vision - he can pick a good pass up to the front which is where we are deficient right now and why I believe our goals have dried. Thoughts anyone please? To what extent should McClaren "experiment"? I think we have to be bold and inventive right now because whilst we have improved since the "PE Teacher" left, we are still only 80% of the team that we were last season. Hi Farrend, how you doing matey??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 hour ago, sage said: How many times have you seen Rawson play? He is nowhere near good enough on the ball to play DCM. Make his debut in a position he has never played before? Really? I imagine they would go with Hanson with Johnson and Butterfield in front of him if tey stick with 433. Personally in that formation, I would leave Johnson at DCM and play Butterfield and Elsnik in front of them. However they may go with 4231 and get Johnson and Butterfield to sit and play Ince behind Vydra with Anya and Russell either side. Or even Baird at DCM if we can cover left back probably and anya could do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 13 minutes ago, Sparkle said: Or even Baird at DCM if we can cover left back probably and anya could do that Yes that could work but don't think we'd start Anya away at Hudd. Maybe if Olsson or Lowe have recovered we could, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninos Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Rawson is a really promising centre back, so I'm not getting all this silliness about playing him in the holding role. Very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 3 hours ago, Ellafella said: 3. Rawson in the "holding" role with Hughes and Johnson as the play-makers? Hahahahaha please stop suggesting Rawson in CDM role, because he is a CENTRE BACK... Rawson in CDM Hahaha I bet you've never seen him plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted October 19, 2016 Author Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just now, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Hahahahaha please stop suggesting Rawson in CDM role, because he is a CENTRE BACK... Rawson in CDM Hahaha I bet you've never seen him plays. ha ha ha. Comedy Gold. Read above posts Sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 5 minutes ago, Ellafella said: ha ha ha. Comedy Gold. That's you. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Can't comment about Rawson but Jamie can certainly play the holding role and very effectively. I'd certainly have him in a home game but away from home then Johnson continues on the basis of experience and that he is just getting back to form, with more to come, don't want to knock him back. Same with Butterfield. First choice midfielder to play any of the roles is Jamie for me. He has the ability to be a mobile wrecking crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 20 minutes ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: Hahahahaha please stop suggesting Rawson in CDM role, because he is a CENTRE BACK... Rawson in CDM Hahaha I bet you've never seen him plays. I'll have a tenner with you that he's seen him plays 3 times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, bigbadbob said: I'll have a tenner with you that he's seen him plays 3 times I don't do gambling with strangers online sorry.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Derby_EnglandLoyal said: I don't do gambling with strangers online sorry.. I'm not a stranger. It's me, bigbadbob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.