Derbados Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I've just been watching Southampton put three past West Ham, hard to believe that not so long ago Southampton were languishing in League 1. What they did after relegation was restructure and establish a brilliant working model at the club, they created a set way of doing things, not to be deviated from, the Manager and player fits the system, not the other way round. Some of the Mangers they have found are quite frankly astonishing, pochetino, Koeman and now Puel who has 4 wins on the bounce and looks to have transitioned into the role seamlessly, like those before him. At one point they were managerless but were still bringing in players like Shane Long, the club sill had a brain. Mel had tried to follow a similar model and initially I was very excited and pleased by the prospect, he had set a way of playing, had given the club an identity and a model not to be deviated from, it was wonderful. . . But then the worst thing happened, like the players Mel bottled it when it mattered most, he panicked. A couple of managerial issues and quite frankly, appauling recruitment decisions made after significant investment, everybody convinced a better squad could have been assembled for half the money spent. We now find ourselves completely off the tracks, an express train heading for the premier league that needed some minor maintenance to get it there now finds itself totally derailed and in disrepair. The model is forgotten, the panic button well and truly pressed. So how do we fix the train and get it back on the rails? simple, go back to the things that made it run in the first place, even if that means we have to expect long delays in the meantime. Come on Mel, stay strong, re find that model and stick to it, give us our identity back you'll get us there eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, Derbados said: So how do we fix the train and get it back on the rails? simple, go back to the things that made it run in the first place, even if that means we have to expect long delays in the meantime. Come on Mel, stay strong, re find that model and stick to it, give us our identity back you'll get us there eventually. Not sure what you're asking for here, is Pearson now the one setting the agenda for the Club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 It also gives the youth teams a model to follow and allows an easier transition from youth football to first team football. Think Swansea. Think how they play football. This is their youth team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, cannable said: It also gives the youth teams a model to follow and allows an easier transition from youth football to first team football. Think Swansea. Think how they play football. This is their youth team. 32 pass team goal?! ROFL dream on, that ain't never happening on Pearsons watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 5 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: 32 pass team goal?! ROFL dream on, that ain't never happening on Pearsons watch! We managed to engineer a fantastic 25 pass goal yesterday. Unfortunately it was for Blackburn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 27 minutes ago, Derbados said: the panic button well and truly pressed who has pressed a panic button? Define how it has been pressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Hughes Hair Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 1 minute ago, Mostyn6 said: who has pressed a panic button? Define how it has been pressed. Not sure who's pressed it but I'm fairly confident there was cetain amount of lethargy involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 19 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: 32 pass team goal?! ROFL dream on, that ain't never happening on Pearsons watch! We struggle to make 32 passes in a game at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosmic Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Maybe the plan this season is to follow the Southampton model more closely by getting relegated. Bold move, Mel. Bold move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 To be fair, if it is the plan to get relegated, it's be the first time Derby are actually looking like achieving their aims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbados Posted September 25, 2016 Author Share Posted September 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: who has pressed a panic button? Define how it has been pressed. Mel has pressed it, 100% He has totally deviated from the structure he put in place and swore he would stick by. The Head coach title whereby he individual coaches and develops the team following the structure and ethos dictated by the club has completely been removed. We now have a manager, who is in total control of the footballing side of things, formation, style of play etc. Nigel has said himself he likes to change every aspect of a club, just as he did at Leicester. That is a complete turnaround by Mel and the club of a structure and process that almost got us there, it just needed tinkering not blowing up! we we now find ourselves in the relegation zone having scored twice at home all season. Early days yet but I think it was a panicked decision and one that will bite us on the arse. Although i will say that I was 100% for Pearson coming in, it's just that I thought he would be given the same model to follow as the others, not completely destroy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajstrawb Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 The panic button was pressed when Mel threw the Derby way clean out the window to try to adopt 'the Leicester way' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 36 minutes ago, Derbados said: Mel has pressed it, 100% He has totally deviated from the structure he put in place and swore he would stick by. The Head coach title whereby he individual coaches and develops the team following the structure and ethos dictated by the club has completely been removed. We now have a manager, who is in total control of the footballing side of things, formation, style of play etc. Nigel has said himself he likes to change every aspect of a club, just as he did at Leicester. That is a complete turnaround by Mel and the club of a structure and process that almost got us there, it just needed tinkering not blowing up! we we now find ourselves in the relegation zone having scored twice at home all season. Early days yet but I think it was a panicked decision and one that will bite us on the arse. Although i will say that I was 100% for Pearson coming in, it's just that I thought he would be given the same model to follow as the others, not completely destroy it. The trouble is, Mel has been too keen to try to be 'Mr Popular' and do the fans' bidding. However, he failed to realise one important factor. Fans are idiots, and we will change our collective gestalt (that's another word for you, @satty atwal) mind at the drop of a sausage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramchop Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 36 minutes ago, Derbados said: Mel has pressed it, 100% He has totally deviated from the structure he put in place and swore he would stick by. The Head coach title whereby he individual coaches and develops the team following the structure and ethos dictated by the club has completely been removed. We now have a manager, who is in total control of the footballing side of things, formation, style of play etc. Nigel has said himself he likes to change every aspect of a club, just as he did at Leicester. That is a complete turnaround by Mel and the club of a structure and process that almost got us there, it just needed tinkering not blowing up! we we now find ourselves in the relegation zone having scored twice at home all season. Early days yet but I think it was a panicked decision and one that will bite us on the arse. Although i will say that I was 100% for Pearson coming in, it's just that I thought he would be given the same model to follow as the others, not completely destroy it. Do you think that Pearson is not the head coach in all but name? Who signs the u23 players? Who picks the u23 players? He has control over first team matters and that's it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 8 minutes ago, Ramchop said: Do you think that Pearson is not the head coach in all but name? Who signs the u23 players? Who picks the u23 players? He has control over first team matters and that's it He appoints the recruitment staff and I believe has people coaching for him. He's a glorified director of football who picks the team and a direct influence on what's being coached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 46 minutes ago, Derbados said: Mel has pressed it, 100% He has totally deviated from the structure he put in place and swore he would stick by. The Head coach title whereby he individual coaches and develops the team following the structure and ethos dictated by the club has completely been removed. We now have a manager, who is in total control of the footballing side of things, formation, style of play etc. Nigel has said himself he likes to change every aspect of a club, just as he did at Leicester. That is a complete turnaround by Mel and the club of a structure and process that almost got us there, it just needed tinkering not blowing up! we we now find ourselves in the relegation zone having scored twice at home all season. Early days yet but I think it was a panicked decision and one that will bite us on the arse. Although i will say that I was 100% for Pearson coming in, it's just that I thought he would be given the same model to follow as the others, not completely destroy it. what structure? Nothing was set in stone. It is only a year ago since we heard the Derby Way soundbyte, in which we become a laughing stock, and then when sacking Clement, was mocked by the footballing world. Many on here, and I cannot be arsed to dig back to see if you were amongst them, rejected the Derby Way without prejudice and demanded a manager of the Moyes/Pearson mold was employed. However, just as the title Pearson has been given is slightly different to that Clement had, do not assume he has any more responsibility than Clement had. Clement got to pick teams, transfers, formations, tactics, style of play etc, so don't kid yourself that anything has truly changed in terms of structure. The panic button is being pressed by anyone worrying about the relegation zone right now. If football has taught us anything it's that those that panic early on are the ones that end up in trouble. So as a fan, I'd hope Derby fans just relax a little bit. What you think is a 'panicked' decision, employing Pearson, makes me sick to the stomach considering the amount of fans who treated Wassall disgracefully, slated Mel for breakfast-gate stuff and then DEMANDED a proper manager, was Mel doing what he thought was the right thing. Damned if he does, Damned if he doesn't. Whichever way he went, Mel was on a hiding to nothing, 31 minutes ago, dajstrawb said: The panic button was pressed when Mel threw the Derby way clean out the window to try to adopt 'the Leicester way' Who says he did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satty atwal Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 16 minutes ago, eddie said: The trouble is, Mel has been too keen to try to be 'Mr Popular' and do the fans' bidding. However, he failed to realise one important factor. Fans are idiots, and we will change our collective gestalt (that's another word for you, @satty atwal) mind at the drop of a sausage. Ffs ges what? My battery is low and only logged on here.... not enough battery to Google your new eddies dictionary word ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Just now, satty atwal said: Ffs ges what? My battery is low and only logged on here.... not enough battery to Google your new eddies dictionary word ffs Collective hive mind, Satty. A bit like the Borg in Star Trek - we've all been assimilated. (Assimilated - absorbed, digested) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satty atwal Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Just now, eddie said: Collective hive mind, Satty. A bit like the Borg in Star Trek - we've all been assimilated. (Assimilated - absorbed, digested) Im ok now u can lob as many big words as u like.... at dads shop and found his spare charger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajstrawb Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, Mostyn6 said: Who says he did? Pretty sure when a chairman interviews potential managers the managers outline their strategies and plans for the club. You can't tell me Pearson kept the 442 a secret from Mel the whole time and sprung it on him first game of the season?...... SURPRISE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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