SaintRam Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Just now, Animal is a Ram said: The money would be nice, but I don't see the logic of selling one of the better strikers in the league to a rival. Would be such a backwards step. Depends on what comes in. In the transfer window we're not only going to make "forward" steps, we have too many players. Some will need to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Sell Martin and buy Bamford for 1/3 -1/2 of what we receive for Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Just now, Uptherams said: Sell Martin and buy Bamford for 1/3 -1/2 of what we receive for Martin. Ew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Id want kodjia or assombalonga here then get rid of Martin for what we paid for one of them. Even up the books, sell Hendrick then buy wells and be in profit for a right back. improve our forward line and defence and get rid of a CM in a bloated position. all that and be cost neutral. If anything left is look at a right winger. A loan could suffice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC4LIFE Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Just now, Uptherams said: Sell Martin and buy Bamford for 1/3 -1/2 of what we receive for Martin. Bamford or assombalonga for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDerby Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 14 minutes ago, Palimpsest said: Let's try to get them up to around 10m, bite their hand off, and work towards playing more dynamically without him. He is desperately unfit and I can't see Pearson putting up with too many performances like Grimsby. how do you know that he's desperately unfit? He looks the slimmest he's ever been in a derby shirt to me? or do I need a trip to specsavers? I can't wait for the meltdown when we haven't got a goal scorer next season... Surely the whole thing about having a plan B last season, would be the same again this year if we can't shift into a 4-3-3 and only have strikers that can play in a 2? I would do anything to keep Martin, he's been class for us over the last few years and he's been more than involved in everything good we have done and when he hasn't been fit, we have been shocking! Do we really want to move all these players on? he would be a massive miss for me! Chrissy Martin, Derby's number 9!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Just now, JoeDerby said: how do you know that he's desperately unfit? He looks the slimmest he's ever been in a derby shirt to me? or do I need a trip to specsavers? I can't wait for the meltdown when we haven't got a goal scorer next season... Surely the whole thing about having a plan B last season, would be the same again this year if we can't shift into a 4-3-3 and only have strikers that can play in a 2? I would do anything to keep Martin, he's been class for us over the last few years and he's been more than involved in everything good we have done and when he hasn't been fit, we have been shocking! Do we really want to move all these players on? he would be a massive miss for me! Chrissy Martin, Derby's number 9!! Martin has been very good over the years for us but I've heard from a number of people that Pearson doesn't fancy Martin and isn't very happy with the way that he applies himself. Martin is a 20 goal a season striker when he is played in the right system and the team is built to suit his style. In this current style he'd be lucky to score 10 goals imo. If we are persisting with this new formation then I think it may just be in the best interest of both parties to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDerby Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, McLovin said: Martin has been very good over the years for us but I've heard from a number of people that Pearson doesn't fancy Martin and isn't very happy with the way that he applies himself. Martin is a 20 goal a season striker when he is played in the right system and the team is built to suit his style. In this current style he'd be lucky to score 10 goals imo. If we are persisting with this new formation then I think it may just be in the best interest of both parties to move on. From what I have seen it's not just Martin that doesn't fit in with the 4-4-2, it's the whole team, we might as well just the whole squad and start again if that's the case.. Will Hughes looks rubbish in a 2 man midfield, shall we sell him too? Thorne, Ince and Russell also don't fit a 4-4-2! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Just now, JoeDerby said: From what I have seen it's not just Martin that doesn't fit in with the 4-4-2, it's the whole team, we might as well just the whole squad and start again if that's the case.. Will Hughes looks rubbish in a 2 man midfield, shall we sell him too? Completely disagree but you're entitled to you opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 28 minutes ago, Palimpsest said: Let's try to get them up to around 10m, bite their hand off, and work towards playing more dynamically without him. He is desperately unfit and I can't see Pearson putting up with too many performances like Grimsby. On what basis do you judge that? Did he play much worse than Blackman or Bent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Jeez at this rate we'll just have the under 21's and Bent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 1 minute ago, Gritters said: Jeez at this rate we'll just have the under 21's and Bent. Under 23's mate now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDerby Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, McLovin said: Completely disagree but you're entitled to you opinion In my opinion, we won't see anywhere near the best of Will Hughes in a flat 4-4-2. Let's agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palimpsest Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 4 minutes ago, JoeDerby said: how do you know that he's desperately unfit? He looks the slimmest he's ever been in a derby shirt to me? or do I need a trip to specsavers? I can't wait for the meltdown when we haven't got a goal scorer next season... Surely the whole thing about having a plan B last season, would be the same again this year if we can't shift into a 4-3-3 and only have strikers that can play in a 2? I would do anything to keep Martin, he's been class for us over the last few years and he's been more than involved in everything good we have done and when he hasn't been fit, we have been shocking! Do we really want to move all these players on? he would be a massive miss for me! Chrissy Martin, Derby's number 9!! McLovin just answered for me, but I will add that I don't buy that Martin looks the slimmest he's been at Derby right now. There was a moment against Grimsby where he tried to stretch to nod in a header and it looked Sunday league fitness levels. I think it's about looking to bring in a more versatile and dynamic number 9 now, someone less arrogant as well. Arrogance is OK when you can play against the likes of Grimsby without embarrassing yourself. Used to be a Martin fan by the way, despite never enjoying watching 'that type of striker' i.e. Howard, Hulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 It's off one of "those" twitter accounts mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Martin has had his day at Derby and needs to move on. Yes he's scored 20+ goals a season but IMO we can get better and need to be looking at better to get out of this league. We keep mentioning about breaking the system up and not having the right players to fit a new system, the old system hasn't exactly got us promoted has it and needs to be changed. Pearson won't put up with a lazy attitude which is what Martin has had and Tuesday just took the micky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeDerby Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 We must be the only fans in the world that would happily move on their most prolific striker for the past god knows how many years! He at least deserves a proper go at 4-4-2! Baffled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Ross McCormack went for £12m and he's a similar level, and two years older than Martin. I'm not surprised Wolves want him - he always plays well against Wolves so they see the best of him. £15m and close the door on your way out thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 6 minutes ago, sage said: On what basis do you judge that? Did he play much worse than Blackman or Bent? Looked fit to me on Saturday and did a good job when he came on, he added something to the team along with Hughes and Butters. I don't think any player in the championship is worth £6m + but that's the price they are going for and a forward with a history of 20 goals a season is a major asset so I would say £10m is about right even if it is a stupid amount of money. IF we did sell, then Asombalonga for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 3 minutes ago, JoeDerby said: We must be the only club in the world that would happily move on their most prolific striker for the past god knows how many years! He at least deserves a proper go at 4-4-2! Baffled If we do sell him then I don't think it would be because Martin can't play 4-4-2. Like you said not all of our players may be comfortable playing 4-4-2 so there has to be another reason for me. As I said before I've heard from a few people that Pearson isn't happy with his general attitude and his application. Maybe he sees him as one of the "bad" eggs in the dressing room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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