Bris Vegas Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 I'm not knocking the manager as I believe he's a top coach despite clearly being a bit loose upstairs, but I don't understand why we have appointed him taking everything in to consideration. Nigel Pearson plays a variation of 4-4-2, be it 4-4-1-1 or something of that ilk. He did it at Southampton, Leicester City, Hull City and later at Leicester again - and each time he enjoyed some success or other. But we don't have the personnel to play this formation. That is so evident, and Mel Morris spoke before about creating an identity or system at the club whereby managers can come and go but the style will remain. Southampton and Swansea City have both followed this route, and done so with great success. Why have we appointed a 4-4-2 man when we have pretty much built a squad for 4-3-3 over the past few years? You can't argue it doesn't work, only injuries and a lack of application has prevented us. If we are going to move away from the 4-3-3 and work towards Pearson's preferred system, then why haven't we made a single move in the transfer market which would at least give the guy a better chance? Pearson's starting eleven today suggested he has tried to work best with what he has, but it was poor. I'm sorry but if Bent, Blackman and Johnson is the best we have in a 4-4-2 then we're going to struggle to make the top six this year! I was struggling to see what the hell we tried to do 12 months ago and openly criticised our recruitment team, but this summer it has arguably been even more baffling. Who has been behind these decisions? They're nonsensical IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 One game is enough to show us that we've appointed the wrong man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 We looked good for 20 minutes today and had one of those chances gone in its a completely different story. It looked as if the confidence drained when we didn't score and we reverted to aimlessly punting it up the field giving Bent absolutely no chance. It's time for change let's give it time, and if the players can't or won't adapt to Pearsons ideas I can't see them being with us for much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 More to the point, since when have players become so rigid that they are only capable of playing one system? When did football become so complicated that players can only defend or score in a certain system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4derby Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 I get where you're coming from Bris. I too am slightly worried that we are moving in a completely different direction from the identity we've been building for the past 2.75 seasons. Some would argue this is a good thing, but it goes against what Mel has set out, and has proven successful for teams now established in the Prem, as you mentioned. It is a bit soon though. I would take a 0-0 against Brighton in the middle of the season, so I will take it now. The more worrying thing for me is that Will started on the bench, with Jeff and Bryso apparently ahead of him. Love them both, but they're not our star player. Need to start Will every game, full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 I expected this thread from some members on here but from someone who seems to know his football ? Come on @Bris Vegas ! Really ? Let's give it at least 10 games ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philmycock Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 I agree, Pearson needs to change to the Derby way! Blackman, Bent and Johnson should never be first choice. How Martin, Russell and Hughes are left on the bench is a travesty. Agree with Bris here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastletonRam Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 It's almost like Mel appointed Pearson with the intent not to back him, but to nonetheless allow him to proceed with a change in the system, then when it didn't work with the players we've already got to sack him to prove a point that 4-3-3 is the best formation because it's 'the Derby way'. Keep in mind if this isn't true, why isn't Mel backing NP with signings to realise the system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymru Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 I as at theme today two things I have to say poor poor Johnson should be made for transfer and Blackman they were awful today Johnson made a comment that he did not perform last season and he did not do it today either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammeister Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Pearson says Derby have bids in for players- source DET. I am sure Mel will back him- but as Nigel has said, we should only buy people who improve the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted August 6, 2016 Author Share Posted August 6, 2016 4 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: More to the point, since when have players become so rigid that they are only capable of playing one system? When did football become so complicated that players can only defend or score in a certain system? You have systems to get the best out of the players at your disposal. You only have to look at our squad and realise we don't have the players to successfully play 442, and that 433 is by far and away our best system. I'm sure our players can play in a 442, 352, 622, 541 - but such systems restrict players. Why would you remove Martin's best attributes, Bryson's energy in the final third, Hughes' playmaking ability in the middle and Russell's pace and directness on the wing for Bent, and out of position Blackman and a two-man midfield which doesn't suit any of our current midfielders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFCArmy Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 We all might as well go home and not bother.. 20 minutes was enough for some to throw the towel in today.. despite their ridiculous giving up they still expect the club to win the league by 20 points on the bridle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Willow Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 I think Derby 4-3-3 tactics became too much predictable for the most of the teams in the Championship. Further, I am 100% sure Derby needs to acquire 1-2 ball winning midfielders who can tackle hard and pass accurately. A sort of more mobile advanced "George Thorne" type of players, together with one good all-round defender "Andre Wisdom" type. Certainly several players should be sold and moved before the end of the transfer period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 People can't wait to moan. Get me back to the Clough days where the 'fans' that booed didn't exist. I may criticize players on here but I'd never treat a player like the Derby fans did to Johnson and Baird today. I'd love to give each and every one of their head's a wobble. Give Pearson a chance for goodness sake, if Rome wasn't built in one day I doubt Derby will. 4-3-3 ONLY works when all of our players are fit. Who would you suggest to play the Thorne role? I'd argue that playing the formation we did today is the reason we didn't lose because it gave us the defensive stability and limited Brighton to an extent, although they should have buried the game. The problem isn't the formation, we played fantastic in the first 10-15 minutes. The issue is sustaining this pressure for the whole match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, Bris Vegas said: You have systems to get the best out of the players at your disposal. You only have to look at our squad and realise we don't have the players to successfully play 442, and that 433 is by far and away our best system. I'm sure our players can play in a 442, 352, 622, 541 - but such systems restrict players. Why would you remove Martin's best attributes, Bryson's energy in the final third, Hughes' playmaking ability in the middle and Russell's pace and directness on the wing for Bent, and out of position Blackman and a two-man midfield which doesn't suit any of our current midfielders. Absolute rubbish in my opinion, you have players that can play football and you build a system around it. No player is brought up learning to play a certain system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 9 minutes ago, CastletonRam said: It's almost like Mel appointed Pearson with the intent not to back him, but to nonetheless allow him to proceed with a change in the system, then when it didn't work with the players we've already got to sack him to prove a point that 4-3-3 is the best formation because it's 'the Derby way'. Keep in mind if this isn't true, why isn't Mel backing NP with signings to realise the system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BranstonRam Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 We are one game in. Bloody hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 23 minutes ago, Kernow said: One game is enough to show us that we've appointed the wrong man? Definitely no, but please Blackman and Johnson ahead of Hughes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted August 6, 2016 Author Share Posted August 6, 2016 22 minutes ago, Kernow said: One game is enough to show us that we've appointed the wrong man? Where have I said we've apppointed the wrong man? I've questioned WHY we have appointed him... Nigel Pearson could be the right man, but if he is, why haven't we backed him and allowed him to bring in the necessary players to help him succeed using the system which he clearly prefers? This team can't play, with any great success, a 442. We all know this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastletonRam Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Absolute rubbish in my opinion, you have players that can play football and you build a system around it. No player is brought up learning to play a certain system. Ours clearly are. Martin is useless unless he's the lone striker in a 4-3-3. Defence can't take the heat unless Thorne is screening etc. Clement tried changing it and reverted back to 4-3-3 after 7 games and clear from today they don't work in a 4-4-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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