Clement named Bayern Munich Assistant Head Coach

[Sexydadbod]

10 hours ago, Mafiabob said:

He was very ignorant I'd admit of signing Campo..... Okocha etc from foreign football 

You hardly needed to be an expert to know that they were top players.......

10 hours ago, CumbrianRam said:

Or them guys signed in Jan which saved Sunderland's bacon last year

Sunderland's scouting network identified them players, not Sam. He admitted himself and the soucting network saved Sunderland's premier league status in that respect. He also said that that if he had the opportunity, he would have less foreigners in the premier league because English players are apparently the best and England has the best league.

3 hours ago, HantsRam said:

He gets jobs because he's ancelottis trusted lieutenant,  like rui faria is to Mourinho. 

Obviously his coaching magnificence didn't quite extend to understanding the demands of the championship and how to get the best out of players at that level,  at least not judging by many of the detailed observations on here.

At least you could credit Sam with some self awareness of his own limitations in seeking him out in the first place. If this story is true then wonder why clement turned it down. Is his personal stock really so great? If Sam is really looking for broader horizons then we should see that by who he turns to next.

Clement said he needs to focus on the job at Bayern and the Bayern board put pressure on him to reject it because what's the point of being an assistant at a club when you're not going to give it their full attention? It was probably a case of choosing between Bayern and England. No brainer in my eyes, Clement chose the right decision. Also how do you know Clement failed to understand the demands of the championship? He has coached some of the best players in the world. Not his fault that championship players couldn't keep up with his demands. I'd trust the judgments of the likes of John Terry,David Beckham, Ibrahimovic, Bale and Ronaldo over any Derby player. Clement wouldn't have had the respect of these players with big egos if he didn't know what he was doing. Again I believe it was a case of the Derby players not being up to scratch because we have failed to go up for the last 3 seasons that we have been at the top of the league. There's only so much you can do with players of limited ability. 

49 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Is that the same Sam Allardyce who went over to America and came back with many revolutionary ideas and techniques that are still widely used today?

Maybe it is you that is ignorant to what Sam Allardyce has actually done in his career?

"Revolutionary ideas", don't make me laugh. Those techniques were used widely around Europe. That's just backing my point because he wouldn't have needed to go to America if he wasn't ignorant about football in Europe. If anyone revolutionised the game here  it was Arsene Wenger and Bobby Robson. 

[Curtains]

Good luck at Bayern  Paul Clement .

 

http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/former-derby-boss-wishes-england-manager-all-the-best-with-new-job/story-29575116-detail/story.html

[Mafiabob]

2 hours ago, McLovin said:

You hardly needed to be an expert to know that they were top players.......

Sunderland's scouting network identified them players, not Sam. He admitted himself and the soucting network saved Sunderland's premier league status in that respect. He also said that that if he had the opportunity, he would have less foreigners in the premier league because English players are apparently the best and England has the best league.

Clement said he needs to focus on the job at Bayern and the Bayern board put pressure on him to reject it because what's the point of being an assistant at a club when you're not going to give it their full attention? It was probably a case of choosing between Bayern and England. No brainer in my eyes, Clement chose the right decision. Also how do you know Clement failed to understand the demands of the championship? He has coached some of the best players in the world. Not his fault that championship players couldn't keep up with his demands. I'd trust the judgments of the likes of John Terry,David Beckham, Ibrahimovic, Bale and Ronaldo over any Derby player. Clement wouldn't have had the respect of these players with big egos if he didn't know what he was doing. Again I believe it was a case of the Derby players not being up to scratch because we have failed to go up for the last 3 seasons that we have been at the top of the league. There's only so much you can do with players of limited ability. 

"Revolutionary ideas", don't make me laugh. Those techniques were used widely around Europe. That's just backing my point because he wouldn't have needed to go to America if he wasn't ignorant about football in Europe. If anyone revolutionised the game here  it was Arsene Wenger and Bobby Robson. 

You said he was ignorant...... Meaning he would probably have no knowledge of foreign football..... 

[Sexydadbod]

24 minutes ago, Mafiabob said:

You said he was ignorant...... Meaning he would probably have no knowledge of foreign football..... 

Not at all, you can still be ignorant but still have some limited knowledge. For example, I know that Benfica won the Portuguese league but I'm ignorant about their league in general. Allardyce said that English players aren't as good because we don't have a winter break. What he didn't mention is that in the Spanish league, Barcelona and Real Madrid only had a 10 day winter break. In contrast, Leicester had a longer break in February, that's ignorance because he assumed they have a long break in leagues such as Spain when they don't. 

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3 hours ago, McLovin said:

"Revolutionary ideas", don't make me laugh. Those techniques were used widely around Europe. That's just backing my point because he wouldn't have needed to go to America if he wasn't ignorant about football in Europe. If anyone revolutionised the game here  it was Arsene Wenger and Bobby Robson. 

He went to America to play for Tampa Bay. They ground shared with the Bucaneers American football team, this is where he got a lot of his ideas from...but I'm sure you knew that already...

[Van der MoodHoover]

"Again I believe it was a case of the Derby players not being up to scratch because we have failed to go up for the last 3 seasons that we have been at the top of the league. There's only so much you can do with players of limited ability. "

 

That's right. Give up on them and sign a couple more then don't play them.

Bottom line @McLovinis that neither you nor I really know how much Clement designs training as opposed to implementing instructions from the head coach. Nor do we know the reality of all of the personal dynamics within the groups of players he's been involved with.

My post was merely musing on how the future might vindicate or otherwise apparent decisions taken today. You seem to jump to defend when there was no attack. Time will tell if Paul clement is indeed the towering coaching genius you are portraying him as.

[Sexydadbod]

11 minutes ago, HantsRam said:

"Again I believe it was a case of the Derby players not being up to scratch because we have failed to go up for the last 3 seasons that we have been at the top of the league. There's only so much you can do with players of limited ability. "

 

That's right. Give up on them and sign a couple more then don't play them.

Bottom line @McLovinis that neither you nor I really know how much Clement designs training as opposed to implementing instructions from the head coach. Nor do we know the reality of all of the personal dynamics within the groups of players he's been involved with.

My post was merely musing on how the future might vindicate or otherwise apparent decisions taken today. You seem to jump to defend when there was no attack. Time will tell if Paul clement is indeed the towering coaching genius you are portraying him as.

What do you mean time will tell? Ancelotti is hardly going to appoint someone(especially for the 4th time) if he doesn't provide anything. Ancelotti is one of the best managers ever, he knows a thing or 2 about what makes a good coach or not. It may have not worked for him as manager but that doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. Some people are more comfortable as a number 2 because you can have a certain relationship with a player whereas as a manager you have to be more brutal. Bottom line is yes he is a coaching genius otherwise those top world class players wouldn't praise him. If you look at Ronaldo's and Ibra's previous comments especially when talking about ex managers and coaches, they aren't going to dish out praise for the sake of it. They loved him because he was a good coach. Now onto the original point, of course he would have been an asset to England otherwise Allardyce wouldn't have wanted him in the first place! The main reason why I think Clement 'failed' here was because he tried to overcomplicate things. His tactics may have been more suitable at a higher level whereas the championship is focused more on the physical aspect rather than the tactical side

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I'll judge Clements ability with own eyes, not what he achieved elsewhere.

Good god he was ****!

[Van der MoodHoover]

1 hour ago, reveldevil said:

I'll judge Clements ability with own eyes, not what he achieved elsewhere.

Good god he was ****!

As will I. 

Don't need anyone telling me what I must think based upon the reflected views of a few folk I will never get to know and hence cannot tell if I value their opinion or not. 

Opinions - we're all allowed them. Doesn't mean that by extension we have the right to belittle others or seek to get them to adopt your views. 

Each to his own. I come on here to articulate my views not to berate others for having different views. I am however very interested in what shapes people's beliefs.