Rampage Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 40 minutes ago, Posh Ram said: How exactly? He didn't do much today, except for the goal which was gifted by Williams. Sturridge was much more important to the win. Vardy is a good player but right now he's more important to us as an impact sub. Kane offers a different kind of threat whilst Vardy and Sturridge are pretty similar. I don't particularly want to go into the KOs with two key attacking players not firing. Giving them a rest is pointless if they do f*ck all. If we have to play a good team in the next round I could see Roy starting someone like Henderson or Wilshere instead of Alli anyway. I meant include to Sturridge AND Vardy. Vardy stopped Wales winning the game and being five points clear of us. Point taken re Sturridge but I want both to start. Vardy has not been an impact sub for Leicester. Vardy keeps two men upfield as one one one with Vardy is just plain asking for it.Vardy looks fit as a butcher's dog so must start. Roy has surely learnt his lesson with wrong starting eleven by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 If Kane moved to Manchester City would he be another Citizen Kane? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posh Ram Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Rampage said: I meant include to Sturridge AND Vardy. Vardy stopped Wales winning the game and being five points clear of us. Point taken re Sturridge but I want both to start. Vardy has not been an impact sub for Leicester. Vardy keeps two men upfield as one one one with Vardy is just plain asking for it.Vardy looks fit as a butcher's dog so must start. Roy has surely learnt his lesson with wrong starting eleven by now. Ok, I agree to an extent. But I think it's hard to fit Vardy and Sturridge in the same team. Do you think we actually played much better after they and Rashford came on? I'd say we did, but partly that was because of the circumstances, Wales completely parked the bus. I think Kane could have thrived in a similar situation whilst offering a different kind of threat. I'd give him a chance to link up with Sturridge and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 awesome performance again, so far we have been the best team in the tournament and Rooney the best player. Having said that we have played two god awful teams that is for sure. It's coming home though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 15 hours ago, SKRam said: Why is Hodgson getting credit for bringing on two of the most obvious substitutions in football history? Because that is what he is paid to do. If people like you are going to slate him for making substitutions you do not agree with, then you would think he deserves credit for one's which pay off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 22 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Because that is what he is paid to do. If people like you are going to slate him for making substitutions you do not agree with, then you would think he deserves credit for one's which pay off... Think there's some who will blame Roy for defeat of a draw.... And when we win its inspite if Roy. I do wonder if his name was Harry Redknapp the press/media would be more kind, I certainly would think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 19 hours ago, Posh Ram said: Ok, I agree to an extent. But I think it's hard to fit Vardy and Sturridge in the same team. Do you think we actually played much better after they and Rashford came on? I'd say we did, but partly that was because of the circumstances, Wales completely parked the bus. I think Kane could have thrived in a similar situation whilst offering a different kind of threat. I'd give him a chance to link up with Sturridge and see what happens. It it was working in the second half then next game start with it and make any changes if necessary. I thing that Slovakia will be harder to beat than Wales. Not always easy to say why something is working but easier to say if it is working. If it is working, why change it Posh Ram? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 13 minutes ago, Rampage said: It it was working in the second half then next game start with it and make any changes if necessary. I thing that Slovakia will be harder to beat than Wales. Not always easy to say why something is working but easier to say if it is working. If it is working, why change it Posh Ram? The second half was a unique set of circumstances that were in large part contributed to by Wales with their tactics. I don't think that we have yet settled our style or personnel to deal with more technically proficient, defensively minded teams. Vardy got lucky with his goal. Didn't create much else and would look much more dangerous against a team likely to attack us. I'd like to see him against the German or French defences. I think if we started a game with that second half 424 or whatever it was, it would be picked apart. That said, there should be changes to the opening personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posh Ram Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, Rampage said: It it was working in the second half then next game start with it and make any changes if necessary. I thing that Slovakia will be harder to beat than Wales. Not always easy to say why something is working but easier to say if it is working. If it is working, why change it Posh Ram? Because whilst I agree it worked in the second half, I think the circumstances of the game were a big part of that. Whilst Bale said Wales wouldn't park the bus, that's all they did once they took the lead. I suppose you could argue Slovakia will do the same when a point will likely see them through. Also, Vardy and Sturridge are quite similar, which somewhat limits their potential as a partnership. If we can get a front two of either Sturridge/Kane or Vardy/Kane properly firing we'll have two different types of threat. e.g. for Derby, I think most of us would agree that Martin/Weimann would make a better front two than Weimann/Russell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 1 hour ago, HantsRam said: The second half was a unique set of circumstances that were in large part contributed to by Wales with their tactics. I don't think that we have yet settled our style or personnel to deal with more technically proficient, defensively minded teams. Vardy got lucky with his goal. Didn't create much else and would look much more dangerous against a team likely to attack us. I'd like to see him against the German or French defences. I think if we started a game with that second half 424 or whatever it was, it would be picked apart. That said, there should be changes to the opening personnel. Vardy:- Five passes, 40% successful pass rate (2) One shot on goal One goal (onside) Enough said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 2 hours ago, HantsRam said: The second half was a unique set of circumstances that were in large part contributed to by Wales with their tactics. I don't think that we have yet settled our style or personnel to deal with more technically proficient, defensively minded teams. Vardy got lucky with his goal. Didn't create much else and would look much more dangerous against a team likely to attack us. I'd like to see him against the German or French defences. I think if we started a game with that second half 424 or whatever it was, it would be picked apart. That said, there should be changes to the opening personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 6 minutes ago, rynny said: That's Vardy at his best - running onto balls. If Slovakia think a point will do them and set up a deep packed defence then those sorts of chances won't arise. Hence start him in games where he should have greatest impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posh Ram Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 34 minutes ago, rynny said: You know their back four at the back end of that game was Can/Tah/Rudiger/Hector? Good defenders but only one of them starts for Germany. I think he'd find things more difficult against Jerome Boateng and Mats Hummels. I still think Vardy's best position is on the bench, he can have a massive impact either going forward or defensively when he's fresher than everyone else on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexydadbod Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 8 hours ago, Posh Ram said: You know their back four at the back end of that game was Can/Tah/Rudiger/Hector? Good defenders but only one of them starts for Germany. I think he'd find things more difficult against Jerome Boateng and Mats Hummels. I still think Vardy's best position is on the bench, he can have a massive impact either going forward or defensively when he's fresher than everyone else on the pitch. Hummels started in that match and had the England forwards in his back pocket but England only started to get chances when he came off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 11 hours ago, Posh Ram said: You know their back four at the back end of that game was Can/Tah/Rudiger/Hector? Good defenders but only one of them starts for Germany. I think he'd find things more difficult against Jerome Boateng and Mats Hummels. I still think Vardy's best position is on the bench, he can have a massive impact either going forward or defensively when he's fresher than everyone else on the pitch. 2 hours ago, McLovin said: Hummels started in that match and had the England forwards in his back pocket but England only started to get chances when he came off. You can only play against what is in front of you. People aren't going to be saying in 1 year, 5 years, 10 years time that he scored against Germany's second choice defenders, the record books will not show that he scored because Hummel's had gone off. Nobody knows whether he would have got that chance if he was on the pitch. All that matters is that he scored against Germany with an outrageous flick, not quite as good as Will's though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimRam Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Vardy could be the new Lineker. Scoring demon from 6 yds Regarding him scoring but little else...as far as I am concerned he can have a tea-break during the game or fall asleep for part of it...as long as he scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Just watched the highlights again..let me just laugh again.. So funny. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant, that monkey faced freaks face Its coming home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKRam Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 On 17 June 2016 at 07:29, G STAR RAM said: Because that is what he is paid to do. If people like you are going to slate him for making substitutions you do not agree with, then you would think he deserves credit for one's which pay off... Errrrr please let me know where I didn't agree with the substitutions???? Please re read my comment. On the contrary, I was crying out for them. 'People like me' earn a few quid less than one of the worlds highest paid managers, he'll get credit from me when we come close to achieving some success. And if you imply that's 'slating', I'd hate to think what you think of the vitriol on the terraces on a Saturday afternoon...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 8 hours ago, SKRam said: Errrrr please let me know where I didn't agree with the substitutions???? Please re read my comment. On the contrary, I was crying out for them. 'People like me' earn a few quid less than one of the worlds highest paid managers, he'll get credit from me when we come close to achieving some success. And if you imply that's 'slating', I'd hate to think what you think of the vitriol on the terraces on a Saturday afternoon...... What he gets paid is completely irrelevant, he does not set his own salary I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKRam Posted June 23, 2016 Share Posted June 23, 2016 On 21 June 2016 at 07:06, G STAR RAM said: What he gets paid is completely irrelevant, he does not set his own salary I'm sure. Why is it irrelevant? If England employed someone on a lower salary we'd expect less from them surely? Hey good luck to him if he negotiated a top salary, I don't blame him for that! I'm not a fan of his but I'd still buy him a pint if only for the fact he's good at languages. Apologies for delay, I'm not on here every day!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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