davenportram Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 if the French press are blaming Russians and locals for the trouble (a big thing for L'equipe not to blame England fans) maybe our own media should have a look at themselves. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/euro-2016-violence-england-vs-russia-marseille-russian-hardcore-hooligans-to-blame-a7077756.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 UEFA is investigating Russia over its inability to control its fans inside and post match outside - BBC R2 news - England not being sniffed at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 35 minutes ago, blackNwhites said: I don't know, just theorising. YouRams seems to suggest the police are working in conjunction with the Russians but I don't believe that. I've seen another video of some English fans enjoying some wine and tapas (or local cuisine) and French fans turn up, cue seat, table and sign throwing. Riot police turn up, French run off and the tear gas is aimed at them. It also prevented the English fans from retaliating, moment over. That video of the Russian mob wading in suggest similar, cept you can't distinguish between the French and English fans. They're French fans at the end of the video glorying in the fight. But it was blatantly Russians who started it. I'm not suggesting they are working in conjunction, I'm suggesting the police are only acting towards the England fans who are being rowdy and when the real trouble is kicking off they aren't anywhere to be seen. It's poor policing over here police would segregate to stop any trouble over there they are dispersing fans adding to the problem making it harder to police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, davenportram said: if the French press are blaming Russians and locals for the trouble (a big thing for L'equipe not to blame England fans) maybe our own media should have a look at themselves. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/euro-2016-violence-england-vs-russia-marseille-russian-hardcore-hooligans-to-blame-a7077756.html It's Infuriating our media make us a target more than anything, yes you get idiots following England but the media were suggesting all the trouble was caused by "drunken" England fans when for the most part they are being attacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 4 minutes ago, YouRams said: I'm not suggesting they are working in conjunction, I'm suggesting the police are only acting towards the England fans who are being rowdy and when the real trouble is kicking off they aren't anywhere to be seen. It's poor policing over here police would segregate to stop any trouble over there they are dispersing fans adding to the problem making it harder to police. english police have been giving advice but are being ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarrowRam Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Some British journalists in the area pointed the finger at a gang of black-clad Russians, who they said had entered the port city's main square from a side street apparently seeking violence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, BarrowRam said: Some British journalists in the area pointed the finger at a gang of black-clad Russians, who they said had entered the port city's main square from a side street apparently seeking violence. yep, but the headlines dont reflect that, and on Sky News and ITV the reporters say it then vilify the English fans for daring to defend themselves. Yet no such vilification or crap headlines when Northern Ireland And Polish fans are attacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Looks like the French police are using the old British rozzers tactics let them beat the **** out of each other and then pick up the pieces when they are both knackered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoetheRam Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Out here at the moment, heading up to Lyon tomorrow before Lens for England v Wales. Policing has been a joke to be honest, yes England fans are not all angels, but it's mostly been just drunken boisterous behaviour until the police or Marseille Ultras or the Russians move in. In Paris for the opening game the security was well organised, 3 checks before entry and Romanians and French stood side by side without a hint of trouble, metros were queued up after the game. Last night we got a very quick pat down and that was it, can't even remember my ticket being checked. England must outnumber the Russians by 8:1 easily. Most England fans, the vast majority, are just out for a sing song and the game and a few beers. Burnley lads on our campsite had been in bother last night and the Leeds old boys reckon it was one of the biggest kick offs they've seen following England. These aren't lads who practice kung fu in forests, just regular boys. Organisation after the game was a joke, we basically took safety in our own hands to find a taxi back on some half deserted side street. Also had our Derby flag robbed from the stadium, assuming by one of the Russians dressed head to toe in black. Probably find it on some photos hung upside down as if thats something to be proud of. Very uneasy atmosphere on the streets before and after the game and the scenes in the stadium were an embarassment to Russia. It's one thing to kick off with groups of lads who want it, but charging a whole stand where there's women and kids is out of order. Other than that, great time so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 a decent balanced report here http://www.espnfc.com/european-championship/74/blog/post/2891011/euro-2016-fan-clashes-at-england-vs-russia-match-troubling-sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 2 hours ago, Gritters said: The French seem like a load of ***** policing. Oooh some fans are singing songs quick fire some tear gas. Ooooh someone has broke a bottle fire some tear gas in. Ooooh I've broke a nail fire some tear gas. The Russians are attacking the England fans eeerrr do nothing. This is a country that has seen numerous terrorist attacks in the last year or so - I don't think that, under the circumstances, people should complain at all about heavy-handed policing. Obey the rules - their rules - or suffer the consequences. If that's STFU when asked to STFU, so be it. Saying that, the policing is by all accounts terribly inconsistent - and how the hell did Russians smuggle explosives into the stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 The way some media outlets have conducted themselves is disgraceful. They had no idea what was going on and blamed the English fans. Just like with Hillsborough. Those English fans getting being 'aggressive' are actually people defending themselves and fighting back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 46 minutes ago, eddie said: This is a country that has seen numerous terrorist attacks in the last year or so - I don't think that, under the circumstances, people should complain at all about heavy-handed policing. Obey the rules - their rules - or suffer the consequences. If that's STFU when asked to STFU, so be it. Saying that, the policing is by all accounts terribly inconsistent - and how the hell did Russians smuggle explosives into the stadium? It isn't acceptable behavior by the French authorities or in any way justifiable. It's also counterproductive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 8 minutes ago, Uptherams said: It isn't acceptable behavior by the French authorities or in any way justifiable. It's also counterproductive. It might not be acceptable, but it is understandable under the circumstances. Or at least it would be if the policing was consistent. The fact that Russian fans smuggled explosives into the stadium is the biggest worry of all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 "But perhaps it is also time for the wider contingent of England fans to honest about the fact that colonising a central point, draping it with England flags and aggressively bellowing “No surrender to the IRA”, “10 German bombers”, “If it wasn’t for the English you’d be krauts” and “F**k off Europe, we’re all voting out” with beery belligerence is in itself an act of aggression." Thought posh boys Boris and Farage were rugger types? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Uefa has released a statement saying that Russia and England could be thrown out of Euro 2016 if their fans are involved in more violence. The Uefa executive committee said in a statement it has warned both countries that on top of any sanctions over trouble in Marseille this weekend, "it will not hesitate to impose additional sanctions on the Football Association (FA) and the Russian Football Union (RFU), including the potential disqualification of their respective teams from the tournament, should such violence occur again." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dordogne_Ram Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Now BBC reporting that England was well as Russia threatened with expulsion by UEFA from Euro 2016 if any more trouble. Er, who caused the problems in Nice yesterday.......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 3 minutes ago, Dordogne_Ram said: Now BBC reporting that England was well as Russia threatened with expulsion by UEFA from Euro 2016 if any more trouble. Er, who caused the problems in Nice yesterday.......? To a certain extent, England's 'problems' are historic in nature, but this pathetic racist chanting which occurs at most England matches is not banter - it is, and always has been, designed to antagonise, and if a confrontation ensues, so much the better, as far as they are concerned. The fact that they are a bunch of lightweight softies who can't hold their beer doesn't help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
froggg Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 12 minutes ago, Dordogne_Ram said: Now BBC reporting that England was well as Russia threatened with expulsion by UEFA from Euro 2016 if any more trouble. Er, who caused the problems in Nice yesterday.......? Send the 'fans' home not the teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 2 hours ago, eddie said: This is a country that has seen numerous terrorist attacks in the last year or so - I don't think that, under the circumstances, people should complain at all about heavy-handed policing. Obey the rules - their rules - or suffer the consequences. If that's STFU when asked to STFU, so be it. Saying that, the policing is by all accounts terribly inconsistent - and how the hell did Russians smuggle explosives into the stadium? Too right. You would think people would use a bit of common sense under the circumstances but getting flares into the ground is indicating a bomb could get in. I'm starting to dislike the Russians not that I ever liked them in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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