What Went Wrong ?

[Van der MoodHoover]

1 hour ago, G-Ram said:

Tom ince is one of my favourite players when he's on form but the boy doesnt like to head it. He's never going to win a 50/50 in the air  

To be fair it was just one of those days for Tom where he didn't really do much with ANY 50:50, heading or otherwise. 

[top 6 finish]

7 hours ago, 1977 Ram Raider said:

If we'd of stuck with Clement we wouldn't even be in the play offs.

Dead right we would have been in the top 2.

[Rampage]

We lost the game. Not the end of the world. We are not ready to go up and stay up. Mel, Sam and the rest have done their best. We have a game on tuesday that is unrealistic to win but we need to regroup and give it a good go. We are Derby fans through and through. Time to lick our wounds and to start to plan for next year. The Club is not in debt, we have great facilities and a long history. This is not a dark day. We made it to the Play Offs and we were soundly defeated by a team that was in the Premiership last year. Some players were not fit after injury, some had to play outside their best position and some were marked out of the game. It felt like we were playing against an experienced Premiership team. They were well ahead of us in strength and know how. We will probably take some stick from fans from clubs who did not make the Play Offs. We can take it. We made the Play Offs and we did not make the Premietrship.

 Time to start thinking positive again. We are Derby County. COME ON YOU RAMS.

[Guest]

22 hours ago, 1977 Ram Raider said:

If we'd of stuck with Clement we wouldn't even be in the play offs.

True, we would have gone up in the autos :-)

[Dimmu]

I blame Group 1884, they knew what they were doing... too big occasion for our players.

[Strovolos]

21 hours ago, uttoxram75 said:

Jason Shackell bottled a 50/50 and cost us the first goal.

2nd goal was a flukey deflection.

Our final touch was poor all game, the quality players who you expect to be able to perform for the big games failed to do it.

Hughes is not effective when playing deep.

Bradley Johnson is not effective when playing.

 

We'd of probably won this game with John Eustace.

Yeah, Eustace did wonders against us in 2008!!!  LOL!

[Howard Canitbé]

Hughes is wasted played deep, Martin was totally isolated up front alone for the majority of the game. 

By the time the system was changed, the game was already lost. Should have got Bent and Butterfield on there as soon as it was obvious we were struggling to score, and that was much sooner than we saw them. Having said that, it's all very easy to say in hindsight. 

[toddy]

We gave Wassall the job back in February, when we were only 5 pts from the top two.

[StringerBell]

On 14 May 2016 at 17:16, Ramarena said:

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is Martin's lack of work rate.

There were several occasions where Martin failed to close down a defender who was carrying the ball, leaving Bryson to bust a gut to get at them, the Hull player would then simp play the ball in to the space Bryson left leaving a gaping hole in our midfield. 

Don't really want to make this a slagging off Martin post and it's not the sole reason why we lost, but it was frustrating to watch him ambling around, whilst teams mates were trying to cover players he was actually closer too. On the attacking side of his game, I'm not going to be to critical as he had very little to work with. 

I'd have to see the specific circumstances but generally speaking Bryson pushing on and pressing the defenders is fine. You can't expect Martin or any striker for that matter to do that alone. Most if not all the big teams that play one striker have a midfielder pushing on without the ball. 

[Dale The Ram]

Sacrificed our best player to play in a position which he cant play, especially after playing 3 or so games all season.

Wingers were largely ineffective

Martin was unable to do anything

Johnson was awful

We relied on Shackell pumping the ball upfield against Dawson and Davies, two extremely effective ariel CBs

Subs selected werent suitable, no Weiman, no Camara who have shown more urgency than Blackman

Tactics were very poor

Set pieces were even worse

[Dethorn]

47 minutes ago, Dale The Ram said:

Sacrificed our best player to play in a position which he cant play, especially after playing 3 or so games all season.

Wingers were largely ineffective

Martin was unable to do anything

Johnson was awful

We relied on Shackell pumping the ball upfield against Dawson and Davies, two extremely effective ariel CBs

Subs selected werent suitable, no Weiman, no Camara who have shown more urgency than Blackman

Tactics were very poor

Set pieces were even worse

Could not agree more

Could add to that - subs that were used were used too late

Carson could have got to the first and the third on a good day.

But also playing against the luck of there second is going to be tought for any team on any day

[rynny]

53 minutes ago, Dale The Ram said:

Sacrificed our best player to play in a position which he cant play, especially after playing 3 or so games all season.

Wingers were largely ineffective

Martin was unable to do anything

Johnson was awful

We relied on Shackell pumping the ball upfield against Dawson and Davies, two extremely effective ariel CBs

Subs selected werent suitable, no Weiman, no Camara who have shown more urgency than Blackman

Tactics were very poor

Set pieces were even worse

If you have a look at the third goal (if you dare) Blackman is the quickest player to getting back other than Keogh. No sign of anyone else (Butterfield and Olsson back for the corner)

He does just seem to amble about though. Always seems to be half asleep and slow to react.

[Dale The Ram]

23 minutes ago, rynny said:

If you have a look at the third goal (if you dare) Blackman is the quickest player to getting back other than Keogh. No sign of anyone else (Butterfield and Olsson back for the corner)

He does just seem to amble about though. Always seems to be half asleep and slow to react.

But never did he run at a defender with the ball, I dont think he is better than Weimann and from what ive seen Camara is a bit more daring. Yes he may be a Striker but then again Id prefer Zanzala ahead of Blackman.

But, if he ran back then at least he has done something in a Derby shirt other than score 3 against a 50 something keeper 

[Strovolos]

On 15 May 2016 at 04:57, Rampage said:

We lost the game. Not the end of the world. We are not ready to go up and stay up. Mel, Sam and the rest have done their best. We have a game on tuesday that is unrealistic to win but we need to regroup and give it a good go. We are Derby fans through and through. Time to lick our wounds and to start to plan for next year. The Club is not in debt, we have great facilities and a long history. This is not a dark day. We made it to the Play Offs and we were soundly defeated by a team that was in the Premiership last year. Some players were not fit after injury, some had to play outside their best position and some were marked out of the game. It felt like we were playing against an experienced Premiership team. They were well ahead of us in strength and know how. We will probably take some stick from fans from clubs who did not make the Play Offs. We can take it. We made the Play Offs and we did not make the Premietrship.

 Time to start thinking positive again. We are Derby County. COME ON YOU RAMS.

I know this is a Derby County forum but as a fan of a club that has recently been through the Promotion/ Relegation merry-go-round, I have to say I disagree with this.

the difference between the Prem and the Championship is now MASSIVE.  There is no way on earth you will ever get to the state in the Championship where you will be able to say " Right were rady for the Prem"..... you won't be.  This year has been a one-off in the Prem; 2 of the 3 promoted sides have stayed up and Lesta have won the damn thing..........won't happen again.

The only way to approach things is to get up at the earliest opportunity, forget about being ready.  Once there you need a dynamic, pragmatic manager who can do something different, something the big boys don't expect.  Then, until you become established, you need to continue re-inventing yourselves tactically.  Once you have the money to afford established Premier League players (and their salaries!!!) you can start to consider yourself a Premier League Club.

the downside of this is that each year you are in the Championship, the gap between yourselves and the Prem gets wider and wider, and between yourselves and the relegated clubs and their parachute payments.  So the ethos should be "get there as soon as possible!!"

[loweman2]

[loweman2]

Just now, loweman2 said:

No Effort ! No Result

No Cigar !

[rynny]

1 hour ago, Dale The Ram said:

But never did he run at a defender with the ball, I dont think he is better than Weimann and from what ive seen Camara is a bit more daring. Yes he may be a Striker but then again Id prefer Zanzala ahead of Blackman.

But, if he ran back then at least he has done something in a Derby shirt other than score 3 against a 50 something keeper 

Just shocked me that he put some effort in to get back 

[The Arch Deacon]

51 minutes ago, Strovolos said:

I know this is a Derby County forum but as a fan of a club that has recently been through the Promotion/ Relegation merry-go-round, I have to say I disagree with this.

the difference between the Prem and the Championship is now MASSIVE.  There is no way on earth you will ever get to the state in the Championship where you will be able to say " Right were rady for the Prem"..... you won't be.  This year has been a one-off in the Prem; 2 of the 3 promoted sides have stayed up and Lesta have won the damn thing..........won't happen again.

The only way to approach things is to get up at the earliest opportunity, forget about being ready.  Once there you need a dynamic, pragmatic manager who can do something different, something the big boys don't expect.  Then, until you become established, you need to continue re-inventing yourselves tactically.  Once you have the money to afford established Premier League players (and their salaries!!!) you can start to consider yourself a Premier League Club.

the downside of this is that each year you are in the Championship, the gap between yourselves and the Prem gets wider and wider, and between yourselves and the relegated clubs and their parachute payments.  So the ethos should be "get there as soon as possible!!"

I've got you absolutely bang on with that Strov! You are absolutely right. Are you a fellow City fan by the way? A bit smug of me but I've contributing to this forum for much of the weekend, but with the best of intentions as I currently live and work in Derby and like the club very much, and get to the odd game here. The owner's statement "only when we're ready" is for me a get out of jail card to cover his arse if they don't. Their investment this year was a clear intent to get up automatically, let alone through the play-offs.

They should have persevered with Clement, but failing that should have had a top manager to replace him immediately rather than appoint their U21 coach.

 

[Rampage]

52 minutes ago, Strovolos said:

I know this is a Derby County forum but as a fan of a club that has recently been through the Promotion/ Relegation merry-go-round, I have to say I disagree with this.

the difference between the Prem and the Championship is now MASSIVE.  There is no way on earth you will ever get to the state in the Championship where you will be able to say " Right were rady for the Prem"..... you won't be.  This year has been a one-off in the Prem; 2 of the 3 promoted sides have stayed up and Lesta have won the damn thing..........won't happen again.

The only way to approach things is to get up at the earliest opportunity, forget about being ready.  Once there you need a dynamic, pragmatic manager who can do something different, something the big boys don't expect.  Then, until you become established, you need to continue re-inventing yourselves tactically.  Once you have the money to afford established Premier League players (and their salaries!!!) you can start to consider yourself a Premier League Club.

the downside of this is that each year you are in the Championship, the gap between yourselves and the Prem gets wider and wider, and between yourselves and the relegated clubs and their parachute payments.  So the ethos should be "get there as soon as possible!!"

I meant that it is not the end of the world in that our Club is otherwise in very good shape.

Our owner Mel Morris, wants to avoid a debacle if we do get promoted. He finances any signings and picks the manager. We support the team. At the end of the day it will be down to signing the right players and the right manger managing the team properly. We all know that the gap is massive. Mel Morris wants to bring Academy players into the team. I have always said that we need to get promoted for the money. We met a team that stopped us playing and was too good for us. We gave it a good enough shot to make the Play Offs but we are the 5th/6th best team in this League this year.

[The Arch Deacon]

2 hours ago, Dethorn said:

Could not agree more

Could add to that - subs that were used were used too late

Carson could have got to the first and the third on a good day.

But also playing against the luck of there second is going to be tought for any team on any day

Wassall decided on a formation and then tried to pick a team to best suit it, rather than pick a formation to suit the team he had available. i.e. a straight line midfield working closer together, defending together, attacking together. As soon as GT was crocked he should have understood that. The answer was on your bench and one that didn't even make it that far! Bonkers!!!