11 v 11

[In_The_Dark_Ram]

It’s often said a manager should be given 10 games, Darren Wassall has now had 11, so I’ve just compared his first 11 to Paul Clement’s first 11. Here goes:

Darren Wassall

P11 W6 D1 L4 F20 A12 Pts19

5th in the Form Table for those 11 games.

Excellent home form 5-0-1, not so good away 1-1-3

 

Paul Clement

P11 W5 D5 L1 F16 A9 Pts20

Excellent Away form 3-2-0, not so good at home 2-3-1

6th in the Form Table for those 11 games.

 

Paul Clement had the benefit of a pre-season, Darren Wassall took over a team on a poor run of form and had to change the style of play at a time of high pressure. Happy to admit I was one of those calling for an experienced manager, but 11 games in he has brought a similar points return and the best performance of the season.  It can be argued we have a top-2 squad, and an experienced coach might have got more out of them, but stats, recent performances and lack of threads on the forum are suggesting that Darren is doing a decent job.

 

[Thierry Ennui]

I still can't get over his complete lack of humility after the Rotherham fiasco.

[RamLad1884]

2 minutes ago, In_The_Dark_Ram said:

It’s often said a manager should be given 10 games, Darren Wassall has now had 11, so I’ve just compared his first 11 to Paul Clement’s first 11. Here goes:

Darren Wassall

P11 W6 D1 L4 F20 A12 Pts19

5th in the Form Table for those 11 games.

Excellent home form 5-0-1, not so good away 1-1-3

 

Paul Clement

P11 W5 D5 L1 F16 A9 Pts20

Excellent Away form 3-2-0, not so good at home 2-3-1

6th in the Form Table for those 11 games.

 

Paul Clement had the benefit of a pre-season, Darren Wassall took over a team on a poor run of form and had to change the style of play at a time of high pressure. Happy to admit I was one of those calling for an experienced manager, but 11 games in he has brought a similar points return and the best performance of the season.  It can be argued we have a top-2 squad, and an experienced coach might have got more out of them, but stats, recent performances and lack of threads on the forum are suggesting that Darren is doing a decent job.

 

 

Good stats, but you'll risk the wrath of the wassall out brigade soon 

[Animal is a Ram]

Maybe what Wassall needed was 'Arry.

Someone to give him an education, a second pair of eyes, and experience.

Think I was very sceptical when it was announced he was joining - but the results would suggest the Rosie effect has been positive.

[MackworthRamIsGod]

The difference 10 minutes can make, if we had won at Rotherham we would be talking about Wassall having an excellent record, just those 10 minutes killed it.

Lets not forget Wassall managed to beat our local rivals, Clements Derby didn't even turn up.

[eddie]

2 minutes ago, Penelope Pendrex said:

I still can't get over his complete lack of humility after the Rotherham fiasco.

He made a mistake over the substitutions, wanting to give a couple of players who were out of form a confidence boost and at the same time expecting the 11 on the ptch to be able to see the game out, and you want to wring a grovelling apology out of him in order for you to be able to 'get over it'?

 

 

[Sparkle]

14 minutes ago, In_The_Dark_Ram said:

It’s often said a manager should be given 10 games, Darren Wassall has now had 11, so I’ve just compared his first 11 to Paul Clement’s first 11. Here goes:

Darren Wassall

P11 W6 D1 L4 F20 A12 Pts19

5th in the Form Table for those 11 games.

Excellent home form 5-0-1, not so good away 1-1-3

 

Paul Clement

P11 W5 D5 L1 F16 A9 Pts20

Excellent Away form 3-2-0, not so good at home 2-3-1

6th in the Form Table for those 11 games.

 

Paul Clement had the benefit of a pre-season, Darren Wassall took over a team on a poor run of form and had to change the style of play at a time of high pressure. Happy to admit I was one of those calling for an experienced manager, but 11 games in he has brought a similar points return and the best performance of the season.  It can be argued we have a top-2 squad, and an experienced coach might have got more out of them, but stats, recent performances and lack of threads on the forum are suggesting that Darren is doing a decent job.

 

 

Interesting, all that said apart from the mk Dons game I have walked away entertained unlike under PC that said the away form has appeared rather shallow - we will see in the next two away games

[Shuff264]

7 minutes ago, eddie said:

He made a mistake over the substitutions, wanting to give a couple of players who were out of form a confidence boost and at the same time expecting the 11 on the ptch to be able to see the game out, and you want to wring a grovelling apology out of him in order for you to be able to 'get over it'?

 

 

I dont think he means a "groveling apology". Simply him being able to come out and say he made a mistake with his subs, doesnt have to apologise just admit to his mistakes.

This past week has made me question my position on Wassall, after the Cardiff game I was pretty rightly pissed but last week was much better. 

[Thierry Ennui]

20 minutes ago, eddie said:

He made a mistake over the substitutions, wanting to give a couple of players who were out of form a confidence boost and at the same time expecting the 11 on the ptch to be able to see the game out, and you want to wring a grovelling apology out of him in order for you to be able to 'get over it'?

What's this talk about a grovelling apology? You're putting words in my mouth. I just wanted him to take some responsibility for his error and some reassurance that he'd learn from it.

On the opening day of the Premier League this season, Tony Pulis played 2 up front against Manchester City. West Brom were promptly battered. Afterwards Pulis held his hands up and told the press that the result was on him, taking pressure off the players. Whatever you think of Pulis it was the right thing to do.

Wassall made an error but was too arrogant to admit it. His interviews following our other losses haven't increased my confidence in him, either.

[Carnero]

Bit harsh to include the MK Dons game as part of the Wassall stats - he'd only had 4 days at the helm after taking over a side with 0 wins and just 4 points from their last 7 games.

[ramsbottom]

33 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

Interesting, all that said apart from the mk Dons game I have walked away entertained unlike under PC that said the away form has appeared rather shallow - we will see in the next two away games

You were entertained by the Wolves & Cardiff games???  

I don't dislike the man, as he obviously cares a lot about the club but he rubbed me up the wrong way by starting with 4-4-2 against (I think) Preston and his constant shoehorning of Johnson into the team.  By all means play him in the middle of the park where, on occasions, he can be very useful but an attacking winger/inside forward he ain't.  Fair play for getting us slowly back to how we used to play under Mac though.  Saying that, maybe 'Arry just sat them all down, made them watch the play off final again and said "Play like that..."

[YorkshireRam]

1 hour ago, eddie said:

He made a mistake over the substitutions, wanting to give a couple of players who were out of form a confidence boost and at the same time expecting the 11 on the ptch to be able to see the game out, and you want to wring a grovelling apology out of him in order for you to be able to 'get over it'?

 

 

Not really as simple as that, he sacrificed our midfield anchor for a striker/winger, leaving us open and vulnerable which led to us conceding 3 soft goals. Yes, arguably the players on the field should have seen the game out but adapting to a new formation, when they were already tired, which left us exposed, was a poor managerial decision.

Wassall has to take responsibility for that, instead he did the exact opposite and blamed the players... That being said, he seems to have learned from his mistakes and it's no conincidence that playing players in their actual positions is yielding positive results, both individually and as a team.

[Curtains]

One word Harry. 

[duncanjwitham]

1 hour ago, Penelope Pendrex said:

I still can't get over his complete lack of humility after the Rotherham fiasco.

And that was nowhere near as bad as Clement's post-match reaction to the Reading home game - blaming the players for not 'carrying out the tactical plan' when every single person in the stands could see that we were being overrun in midfield and needed an extra body in there.

[Curtains]

4 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said:

And that was nowhere near as bad as Clement's post-match reaction to the Reading home game - blaming the players for not 'carrying out the tactical plan' when every single person in the stands could see that we were being overrun in midfield and needed an extra body in there.

Why's everyone so defensive of Wassall. 

If it works it works if it doesn't it doesn't. 

Hes having help from Harry Redknapp one of our best ever managers in Britain. 

[bcnram]

34 minutes ago, Penelope Pendrex said:

What's this talk about a grovelling apology? You're putting words in my mouth. I just wanted him to take some responsibility for his error and some reassurance that he'd learn from it.

On the opening day of the Premier League this season, Tony Pulis played 2 up front against Manchester City. West Brom were promptly battered. Afterwards Pulis held his hands up and told the press that the result was on him, taking pressure off the players. Whatever you think of Pulis it was the right thing to do.

Wassall made an error but was too arrogant to admit it. His interviews following our other losses haven't increased my confidence in him, either.

Why is it so important for him to admit a mistake, any more than I don't want him crowing about making good decisions. This is a team game, I don't agree with his subs that day, but the team on the pitch really let themselves down in that ten minutes.

As regards his other interviews after losses, it is more important that the players and staff have confidence in him than the supporters. Supporters change their minds about managers and players on a whim.

[Thierry Ennui]

9 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said:

And that was nowhere near as bad as Clement's post-match reaction to the Reading home game - blaming the players for not 'carrying out the tactical plan' when every single person in the stands could see that we were being overrun in midfield and needed an extra body in there.

I missed that! A manager who recognises and acknowledges his mistakes is a better manager. If Clement, or anyone else, walks into the dressing room and berates his players for something which is clearly his fault then he's very quickly going to lose their respect and motivation to play his way. Who knows, perhaps that was exactly what happened.

[Curtains]

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

In regards to the Rotherham game his substitutions were rubbish, but if you defend set pieces and crosses the way we did for the last ten minutes of that match it is irrelevant what the fella on the sideline is doing.

[Thierry Ennui]

4 minutes ago, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

In regards to the Rotherham game his substitutions were rubbish, but if you defend set pieces and crosses the way we did for the last ten minutes of that match it is irrelevant what the fella on the sideline is doing.

Are we conceding the same set pieces if we keep our shape from the first 80 minutes? Besides an early chance they hadn't had a sniff.

I'm not saying the players were blameless but there's no way they deserved 100% of it.