Wassall v Clement

[rammieib]

Wassall:

9 league games

4 wins

4 losses

1 draw

Points per game: 1.44

Shocking football. 

 

Clement:

30 league games

13 wins

12 draws

5 losses

poor football.

Points per game 1.7

 

At least with Clement we were not predicting a loss based on the team selection which we are now doing.

Mel doesn't want promotion by playing crap football. I want promotion based on getting results.

Morris is destroying this club with bad football related decisions. Get rid of Wassall now before the season becomes a complete write off.

 

 

[Carnero]

6 points from 9 away games, pre and post Clement, tells me this is more about the players than who the manager is.

[Alph]

Weren't/Aren't going far under either imo.

Clement was better. I would have been happy to give him time.

Wassall just seems to think everything can be solved by positivity and fun. Which is what Clement badly missed. 

But when that's all you've got then you're in trouble. 

The majority of the season has been pedestrian. No real get up and go. Lots of passing the ball for the sake of passing the ball. You're supposed to be moving the ball to move the opposition. Everyone knows that. But you can't see it when you watch Derby.

There's players in there who's game isn't based on passing to move the opponents. They're kick and rush players. There's players that don't compliment the strengths/weakness of those around them. 

Are we a passing team?

Is 433 our obvious strength anymore?

I can't tell because there's no real identity. You can't see what the plan is when we have the ball. 

Can anyone else? 

I can't see the pulling of opponents teams shape or the probing of their penalty area. I can't see unselfish play. 

I can see a bunch of decent footballers that have their moments together and do enough to plod on. 

If we're going to continue to pretend to be an aggressive passing team then we need to at least show some hints. 

We've looked defensively solid. We've look positive. Thanks Paul. Cheers Darren

Now can somebody come in and explain how to move the ball like there's a purpose!! Barely seen that **** in a year. 

As a fan I really don't have enough respect for the defensive side of the game. It bores me. So perhaps I'm harsh on Clement as he seemed to have that sorted. 

But as a sad barstard who watches how teams break other teams down using all different styles... I'm 100% sure we're going in the wrong direction and aren't even close to getting it right. 

[eddie]

Bore draw.

Today reminded me of four years under Nigel's leadership. I have no idea what changes I would have made, because I don't pretend to understand tactics and getting a team to play to its strengths, other than one thing, which just might be a little bit controversial.....

In my honest opinion, Bucko is ten times the defender that Shackell is.

[archied]

Clement was not the right man for the job ,, Wassall is even less so,,. We have a decent set of players who we are seeing displaying more and more as time passes the total lack of direction and belief that a real manager/ figure head at the helm provides , sadly Mel is the figure head ( intentialy or not) and that's not his role

[Curtains]

Clement by a Million miles. 

But that's old ground now. 

I will back Darren as long as he is our manager. 

But how can you go from the Academy to the 1st team without any experience 

Is it fair on Darren I ask. 

Hope he gets us promoted and does well for us though. 

The players are a lot to blame I'd say also . 

The manager picks the team and sets the tactics though and the manager has to get the team to perform. 

[Alph]

8 minutes ago, eddie said:

Bore draw.

Today reminded me of four years under Nigel's leadership. I have no idea what changes I would have made, because I don't pretend to understand tactics and getting a team to play to its strengths, other than one thing, which just might be a little bit controversial.....

In my honest opinion, Bucko is ten times the defender that Shackell is.

See, I don't second guess team selections, formations and stuff. So much goes on in day to day lives and so much research that I'm sure there's sound reasoning behind every selection. 

It's really, really hard to get human beings to do exactly what you want them to do in unison. To drain their bad habits and drill in good ones. To manage each of their problems and complaints. To feed their confidence.

So I'm not sitting here playing football manager. I know it's hard. 

But over the years, if you really watch enough football you learn what works and what doesn't.  You see what we should be doing and what we shouldn't. And we never looked like going too far. Maybe Clement would have enough to take us up. But there was no great future in the way he had us playing. 

Shackell does not suit what we are trying to do. Not at all. 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, archied said:

Clement was not the right man for the job ,, Wassall is even less so,,. We have a decent set of players who we are seeing displaying more and more as time passes the total lack of direction and belief that a real manager/ figure head at the helm provides , sadly Mel is the figure head ( intentialy or not) and that's not his role

Are the players as good as we all seem to think? It's ok saying they are great but sooner or later they have got to prove it. I'm not seeing many standout performances and that is not down to tactics, that's about having the balls to make things happen.

[Zag zig]

15 minutes ago, eddie said:

Bore draw.

Today reminded me of four years under Nigel's leadership. I have no idea what changes I would have made, because I don't pretend to understand tactics and getting a team to play to its strengths, other than one thing, which just might be a little bit controversial.....

In my honest opinion, Bucko is ten times the defender that Shackell is.

Felt the same Eddie, just not sure Bucko is the answer, he lost his man against Forest at corners too.

For me the lack of creativity or cohesion was more the problem, we are just not clicking. Have to say I would have gone with Christie for pace, but then he'll probably play against Hull and have a stinker.

Wassall doesn't seem to have the tactical answers, as much I think he's an honest servant and decent academy coach; he's in an unfair position to me, but one he couldn't turn down and resist. But that's not the only problem, too many good players on paper simply not gelling.

[Guest]

For me, he has been one of the the worst managers we have had whilst I have been watching Derby, taking into account the players at his disposal.  He has had 9 games now, and I'm still none the wiser to what style of play he is trying to implement and why he plays players in positions not suited to them, and not to mention his subs.  

Do you blame him, or the man responsible for employing him, who knows, but if this is the Derby way, then I don't hold much hope for the future

 

[toddy]

We do have a set of very good quality players here but the one common dominator is that both Clement and Wassall have no 1st team coaching experience.

I dare say if we do now bring in an experienced coach in the summer we might see a change in fortunes of this great club, until this happens it's one bad performance after another each week.

[Sparkle]

I didn't like what I saw from clement based on what was at his disposal and Wassall is not a manager in my opinion and the same applies, the next appointment as manager is going to be crucial - I was not impressed by Jim smith appointment at the time but he got it so right so I am waiting to be impressed

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, toddy said:

We do have a set of very good quality players here but the one common dominator is that both Clement and Wassall have no 1st team coaching experience.

You do know what Clement did before he came to Derby don't you?

[Carnero]

1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said:

You do know what Clement did before he came to Derby don't you?

Taught maths to 9 year olds didn't he?

[Gone]

2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

You do know what Clement did before he came to Derby don't you?

Yes, placed the cones and sorted the bibs out for Real Madrid. Celement = emperors new clothes ! 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, TexasRam said:

Yes, placed the cones and sorted the bibs out for Real Madrid. Celement = emperors new clothes ! 

Incorrect. He brought the oranges on at half time.

[tommoram]

29 minutes ago, curtains said:

Clement by a Million miles. 

But that's old ground now. 

I will back Darren as long as he is our manager. 

But how can you go from the Academy to the 1st team without any experience 

Is it fair on Darren I ask. 

Hope he gets us promoted and does well for us though. 

The players are a lot to blame I'd say also . 

The manager picks the team and sets the tactics though and the manager has to get the team to perform. 

Agreed, Clement! Although, still never really got given enough time to prove his worth, whose to say that the footballing style wouldn't have developed with results...... We were on a slump when Clement was sacked so performances were going to be poor! Albeit, performances were poor for most of the games even during our good results run...

 

And i completely agree with you too about Wassall, ill back anybody who is in charge of the club so long as its for the best of the club, but no it isn't fair on him to push him in the line of fire if this season ends up down the pan, as thats the way its heading.... It will give Wassall a bad reputation for the future should he wish to spread his wings and venture elsewhere for a first team managers role....

 

However, i think we are set as we are now and we can only look forward..... Id like to see any 1 of a few names now take charge in the summer:

Brendan Rodgers (Top choice but unlikely)

Martin O'Neill (great man manager and knows how to get the best out of a number of our players already with Ireland, however i reckon he is more likely to go down to the Red-dogs)

Random one here, but Mick McCarthy (always gets the best out of his players and team regardless of budget.....downside would be the style of football).

But who knows who we will end up with....

[archied]

5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

You do know what Clement did before he came to Derby don't you?

No I don't know what he did but I do know what he did not do and that's pick the team , decide the tactics and formation or have final say on what players were brought in to the club or carry the can for results and performances ? Ie all the things we brought him in to do at Derby ? 

[Pearl Ram]

I think this is a bit of an unfair comparison. Clement was sounded out for his position, weighed up the situation and accepted it.

Wassall on the other hand had it shoved on him. He had a good thing going in charge of the under 21's, no spotlight on him, making progress. If he had ambitions or delusions of grandeur about being a number 1 somewhere would he have stayed with the club as long he has ?

I'm convinced he knows his limitations and is fulfilling this current role reluctantly, doing a favour for the boss.

I think a thread comparing the merits of our last two owners would have been more appropriate, don't get me wrong, I'm no apologist for Wassall and what's happening on the pitch but I do think he's been dropped right in it by the current owner.

[Derbylad92]

To be fair its not wassalls fault derby fans turned on clement and now it back fired they are saying different mm should of got an experienced manager to finish the job and its not happened wassall said when he was first put in charge he didnt want the job coz he knows hes not a manager simple