sage Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 If you were Pearson, Rodgers, Moyes or Rowett and you had the choice of managing Derby or Villa in the championship next season. presuming we don't go up and they get relegated. Factor in the respective squads, owners, fans and facilities. Which one is the better proposition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posh Ram Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Villa have more cash, I'd assume. More ability to build a sustainable Premier League team. Both require a bit of a clearout although Derby definitely less so; Villa have to sell all their guys on big wages as well as the ones that have lost morale. Ultimately if I were more of a tactical coach (say Rodgers), I'd prefer Derby. But Pearson, Moyes and Rowett would all probably relish the chance to build their own team from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Derby No contest for me We are going up and they are coming down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddy Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Heart says Derby Head says Villa............. Having said that I would have Pearson at Derby and Villa are welcome to Moyes! Rowett still unproven and Rogers is going back to Swansea..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammeister Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Good thread. Suspect though it will primarily come down to who pays their manager the most and what money there is to spend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Derby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 If we look at Newcastle first as an example, a club that has been poorly run behind the scenes, the owner recently claiming the club has "virtually no money", they are in the bottom 3 yet can still appoint Benitez that has quite an impressive CV. Last season had Burnley in the bottom 3 been on the search for a new manager and Benitez was unemployed would he have gone there, if not why not? Newcastle are seen as a big club. McClaren wanted to leave us to go there and loads couldn't understand why yet if we all stepped outside the Derby bubble for 5 minutes you would understand why. Also reminds me of when Commons left to go to Celtic, a lot couldn't understand why he would leave to join a club playing in the pub league, the club which is a huge club and could offer him European football and a chance to wear a skirt in public without anybody battering an eyelid. Step outside the Derby bubble for 5 minutes, it doesn't make you any less of a fan. I say all this because Aston Villa are also a big club, a big club that's also been a shambles behind the scenes although they have recently taken steps to fix this. Randy Learner's commitment to the club is an obvious concern for any incoming manager, whilst he's not been making any money available for transfers he has allowed the club to replace with £50m incoming and £50m outgoing this season. You would imagine they have a few assets that could raise funds for a rebuild job plus clearing the wage bill of Lescott, Richards, Sinclair, all 3 of which I can see heading to the MLS, if Villa are allowed to replace and not start the season in a Blackpool situation they will be fine and a great opportunity. I have said many times now that I can never see Rodgers or Moyes dropping to the Championship, the only club I can see them taking the risk would be Villa or Newcastle if they came down and Benitez left. The lure of a big club is hard to resist, yes you can say Derby will back the manager, give them funds and all that but we haven't been an established top flight club for years. We haven't got that kind of pull yet to compete with the likes of Villa. If I get my crystal ball out and give it a quick rub, I'm seeing Rodgers at Swansea, Pearson at Villa, Rowett at Derby and Moyes at Celtic. I'll end on this. Newcastle and Villa are relegated this season. Next season Derby, Newcastle and Villa go up, doesn't matter who wins the league or goes up through the play offs. In the summer, which of the 3 would be able to attract the bigger named better players? It wouldn't be Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 That's a difficult question to answer, not knowing anything about Villa's set-up behind the scenes. Who will have more money (without fouling FFP)? Villa, you'd imagine, with the parachute payments. Who will need the bigger squad overhaul? Villa Who will have the better players? Difficult to say, although Villa's current squad doesn't have much prem quality in it from what I've seen and it's hard to imagine any of those players sticking around. Bigger Stadium? Villa Better training facilities? I don't know Better youth set-up? Don't know, the U21 sides are very even though, Derby 4 points ahead but Villa with a game in hand. and then there are other subjective things to take into account; Who's more persuasive, who's more ambitious etc. Derby will almost certainly have the better morale (you'd hope). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Villa are a much bigger club ,but I would walk over broken glass to manage Derby they are my club .I have had this argument on this forum before but if I was the best striker in the world I would still want to play for the Rams . Biased or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Many Villa fans will likely have the attitude a lot of fans do when their team gets relegated, that they're above this league, and it doesn't matter how big your fanbase is - if they aren't prepared to get given a run for their money by the team bottom of the Championship, they'll turn on the players/management more than they likely are this season. Hull/Burnley etc.'s fanbases have the advantage that they've been in this league plenty in recent years. That genuinely is an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 5 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Many Villa fans will likely have the attitude a lot of fans do when their team gets relegated, that they're above this league, and it doesn't matter how big your fanbase is - if they aren't prepared to get given a run for their money by the team bottom of the Championship, they'll turn on the players/management more than they likely are this season. Hull/Burnley etc.'s fanbases have the advantage that they've been in this league plenty in recent years. That genuinely is an advantage. You can hardly blame them, they haven't been outside the Premier League since it was formed, stat time, out of the 23 Premier League seasons, 15 of those they have finished inside the top 10. Newcastle if you were wondering 9 seasons inside the top 10, from what I've seen online Villa fans are nowhere near the same levels of arrogance as the Geordies. You would guess they have accepted relegation for a while now, and I'm sure there will be the odd protest when it's made official but next season I bet they pack out Villa Park, after 4 seasons of battling relegation a chance of seeing them win more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 1 hour ago, sage said: If you were Pearson, Rodgers, Moyes or Rowett and you had the choice of managing Derby or Villa in the championship next season. presuming we don't go up and they get relegated. Factor in the respective squads, owners, fans and facilities. Which one is the better proposition? Forest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, Daveo said: You can hardly blame them, they haven't been outside the Premier League since it was formed, stat time, out of the 23 Premier League seasons, 15 of those they have finished inside the top 10. Newcastle if you were wondering 9 seasons inside the top 10, from what I've seen online Villa fans are nowhere near the same levels of arrogance as the Geordies. You would guess they have accepted relegation for a while now, and I'm sure there will be the odd protest when it's made official but next season I bet they pack out Villa Park, after 4 seasons of battling relegation a chance of seeing them win more games. Didn't say they were wrong to think that I'm just saying being troubled by (let's say for hypotheticals) Burton may be a bit of a shock to their system. Whether or not they go straight back up depends more on what they do with their players though. They're one of the poorest teams to come down since... well you know. Unless something absolutely miraculous happens, in which case they will absolutely be the poorest team to ever stay up. I doubt they'll be in the Champ for more than 3 years though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 @Daveo winning this thread for me, cannot argue with any point he has made. Would be even more interesting to know what managers would do offered the jobs this very day, Derby still with a chance of going up, Villa almost certainly down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casio Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Villa are a much bigger club than Derby at the moment. The truth hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Casio said: Villa are a much bigger club than Derby at the moment. The truth hurts. Villa have been a bigger club than Derby for most of my life, that isn't a truth that hurts. The real question is, right now, who is more of an attractive option? The answer to that is extremely subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 1 minute ago, Srg said: Villa have been a bigger club than Derby for most of my life, that isn't a truth that hurts. The real question is, right now, who is more of an attractive option? The answer to that is extremely subjective. Exactly, bigger clubs than Villa have slid further down than just the Championship as well. Personally, I still think most managers would likely choose Villa over Derby, but it's not as straightforward a decision as people are saying it is. This summer is huge for Villa, their squad right now is both terrible and expensive, if they get it wrong they could be in the Champ (or worse) for longer than anyone thinks. Get it right though, and they'll be in for a more enjoyable season from a fan's perspective than they'd be expecting too, this league is great fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITSD Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I feel like Villa need a bit of a Nigel job doing on them at the moment, I feel like they might struggle if they keep all their rubbish players on massive wages to be honest. We're a bit bloated, but nowhere near as bad. Villa might be the bigger club in the long run, but if you want sustainable premier league football in the short term, I see us as the better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor1946 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 What a good question,thought,Mel brought stability to Derby,but his record so far is poor.But his heart is in the right place. If he would work with a manager and chairman relationship,and forget this committee recruitment policy. It would be Derby. Aston villa shown their hand when they let Martin o'neill go another top manager and still have a poor recruitment policy,,and the club reminds me of Derby seven seasons ago, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbados Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 55 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Many Villa fans will likely have the attitude a lot of fans do when their team gets relegated, that they're above this league, and it doesn't matter how big your fanbase is - if they aren't prepared to get given a run for their money by the team bottom of the Championship, they'll turn on the players/management more than they likely are this season. Hull/Burnley etc.'s fanbases have the advantage that they've been in this league plenty in recent years. That genuinely is an advantage. Its a good point, i think villa are in for a shock, the Championship is a bloody competitive league. All it will take is for a relegation candidate to turn up to villa Park and turn them over, which happens so often in this league, to bring them crashing back down to reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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