mozza Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Nigel versus Sheffield United , next week , should be interesting . Nigel versus Derby County , next season , should be interesting .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsy Ram Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, Holdontightuk said: Don't torture is like that. Wet could actually cross the ball and pass back then. I was at that game - one is the most enjoyable away day in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiddingsRam Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Some interesting points of view @Holdontightuk can't say I agree ! Think that ships sailed and clubs move on , nigel certainly did well for dcfc as a whole ! Yeah he signed some good players but he signed some ***** too ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 36 minutes ago, Holdontightuk said: The mistakes started when Clough was sacked. 4 years of clearing out deadwood, rebuilding and laying new foundations. The seeds of future success were there for everyone to see: youth team players being promoted to first team; bargain signings with huge potential; small squad with great team spirit, togetherness and shared vision. Keogh, Buxton, Bryson, Hendrick, Hughes, Martin and Russell......all had bought in to this shared vision that Clough had created. But, we just weren't quite there, another piece or two still missing......Clough knew this but was having to continue to operate within extremely tight budgets. He just needed more time still, maybe not that much longer either. Or he needed some gentle encouraging with an increase in budget. I will always wonder what if....what if Rush hadn't joined? What if he had simply been more patient? What if Clough had been given let's say £5 million? What if, what if?? But no, once again the Ego's landed and the essence of what had been created was completely missed by everyone.....Rush, the Americans, Morris and the fans. We deserve to be where we are now. Clough's achievements recorded as failure by the myopic majority. Crazy money provided to short term managers who were never really committed to DCFC. It's so dire really, its laughable. MM could do much worse than turn the clock back and try to start again with the same guy. And the award for Best Troll goes to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, Holdontightuk said: I think Clough was doing well at Sheffield United and, once again, fell victim to deluded people above him......are they doing better this year without him? Are Derby, some 3 years and £25mill later? No to both! Ain't got a problem with young cloughie but yes we doing better than when he was here and have done since he left. Anyhoo you are Barbara Clough an I claim my £25 mil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Ram Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Overall i think Clough had more good buys than bad (or we just remember the good) he did a good job steadying the ship. But he wasnt next level, the chief scout was his brother and a newsagent. The scouting network consisted of the Scottish B team and burton albion. If we'd of gave clough 25mil we would have just bought Burton Albion. Or why spend money when theres deals like Ben Pringle to sign. As soon as big mac came in we were instantly better. Better coaching, players had belief no more non league nigel. Mac had far better contacts. look at the deals in the loan market brought in wisdom, ibe, bamford & ince all loans through having contact and respect in the football world. Nigel loaned reserve team players from championsip sides that at the time were equally as crap as us Mac took us to the next level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, Holdontightuk said: Yeah and whilst you're at it do the same for Man Utd fans during Ferguson's first few years! Wasn't that partly down to redevelopment at Old Trafford? either way Fergie was around to win the fans over, Clough wasn't so if a poll was able to be done it would be interesting to see how many would be in favour of Clough returning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holdontightuk Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 McClaren just took the shackles off....too soon. If I was MM, I'd be crawling over broken glass to bring Clough back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, Holdontightuk said: McClaren just took the shackles off....too soon. If I was MM, I'd be crawling over broken glass to bring Clough back. We could bring McLaren back and ask him to keep the shackles on a bit longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 No, but given the situation we are now in regarding squad size, lack of cohesive "team" etc, I can see a certain attraction. I could also see Nigel buying into large parts of the Derby way (including youth development which really started whilst Nigel was here and with Wassall taking up the academy job). However, he's a bit too limited in certain respects. We wouldn't have spent excessivly for example, but would we have ever attracted George Thorne for example under Nigel? In truth, a manager that had Nigel's virtues without his flaws would be very very good full stop. I also think after the way he was sacked he'd never consider coming back here. He was a stubborn bugger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobram Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 42 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I'm sorry but replacing NC allowed us to go the next level. What he would have done with £5m is anybody's guess. Maybe another 10 Bryson type signings or 5 Sammons...nobody knows. I'd take a few Brysons to be honest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Hughes Hair Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Holdontightuk said: McClaren just took the shackles off....too soon. If I was MM, I'd be crawling over broken glass to bring Clough back. God knows there's some drivel posted on here at times but surely this deservres special recognition. Are you really suggesting a manager tells his team; 'Now lads, I believe you're actually capable of some really fluent, attractive winning football. And to be honest if we did play this expansive game we could well entertain the fans, win more games than we lose, increase gates, draw the spotlight back on to the club and with a bit of luck might even make Wembley. In fact I had a dream last night that if we played this way it might enable us to beat Forest 5 nil too. But then, thank god, I woke up smelt the coffee. We're going to play like that but not this week, or next week or the week after that. Maybe next season, perhaps the on after. After all I don't want to take off the shackles TOO SOON!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 59 minutes ago, Holdontightuk said: The mistakes started when Clough was sacked. 4 years of clearing out deadwood, rebuilding and laying new foundations. The seeds of future success were there for everyone to see: youth team players being promoted to first team; bargain signings with huge potential; small squad with great team spirit, togetherness and shared vision. Keogh, Buxton, Bryson, Hendrick, Hughes, Martin and Russell......all had bought in to this shared vision that Clough had created. But, we just weren't quite there, another piece or two still missing......Clough knew this but was having to continue to operate within extremely tight budgets. He just needed more time still, maybe not that much longer either. Or he needed some gentle encouraging with an increase in budget. I will always wonder what if....what if Rush hadn't joined? What if he had simply been more patient? What if Clough had been given let's say £5 million? What if, what if?? But no, once again the Ego's landed and the essence of what had been created was completely missed by everyone.....Rush, the Americans, Morris and the fans. We deserve to be where we are now. Clough's achievements recorded as failure by the myopic majority. Crazy money provided to short term managers who were never really committed to DCFC. It's so dire really, its laughable. MM could do much worse than turn the clock back and try to start again with the same guy. Yes, lets go back to year in year out 33% win rate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holdontightuk Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 McClaren with the shackles on would be an option. But when has he ever developed a team organically? Clough did it at Burton and look where they are now. I don't think anyone can argue that he didn't lay the foundations for their current over-achieving. Regards his "flaws"....he was managing with his hands tied behind his back and the defensive approach was born out of this. Give him what we gave McClaren and Clement and we would be ahead of where we are now, in my opinion. The problems started when Rush arrived. I doubt MM has got either the balls or the vision to see this mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holdontightuk Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 And if Bournemouth can lure back Eddie Howe we can do so with Clough, if we want to enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Funny how time affects memory. I recall a pretty sizeable group not happy with nige and his hook it to the corners/go back where you came from approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holdontightuk Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 Even God Himself didn't get it right all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 3 minutes ago, Holdontightuk said: Even God Himself didn't get it right all the time Oh you're on about THAT Clough. Thought you were talking about nige. Yea I'd have this one back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Only spanner in the works with that Bob is he's a little bit dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 1 minute ago, EastHertsRam said: Only problem with that Bob is he's a little bit dead. Here we go, yet more negativity. Where there's a will, there's a Derby way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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