Holdontightuk Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 The mistakes started when Clough was sacked. 4 years of clearing out deadwood, rebuilding and laying new foundations. The seeds of future success were there for everyone to see: youth team players being promoted to first team; bargain signings with huge potential; small squad with great team spirit, togetherness and shared vision. Keogh, Buxton, Bryson, Hendrick, Hughes, Martin and Russell......all had bought in to this shared vision that Clough had created. But, we just weren't quite there, another piece or two still missing......Clough knew this but was having to continue to operate within extremely tight budgets. He just needed more time still, maybe not that much longer either. Or he needed some gentle encouraging with an increase in budget. I will always wonder what if....what if Rush hadn't joined? What if he had simply been more patient? What if Clough had been given let's say £5 million? What if, what if?? But no, once again the Ego's landed and the essence of what had been created was completely missed by everyone.....Rush, the Americans, Morris and the fans. We deserve to be where we are now. Clough's achievements recorded as failure by the myopic majority. Crazy money provided to short term managers who were never really committed to DCFC. It's so dire really, its laughable. MM could do much worse than turn the clock back and try to start again with the same guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbob Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Is Arthur Cox still alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 The answer is no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Holdontightuk said: The mistakes started when Clough was sacked. 4 years of clearing out deadwood, rebuilding and laying new foundations. The seeds of future success were there for everyone to see: youth team players being promoted to first team; bargain signings with huge potential; small squad with great team spirit, togetherness and shared vision. Keogh, Buxton, Bryson, Hendrick, Hughes, Martin and Russell......all had bought in to this shared vision that Clough had created. But, we just weren't quite there, another piece or two still missing......Clough knew this but was having to continue to operate within extremely tight budgets. He just needed more time still, maybe not that much longer either. Or he needed some gentle encouraging with an increase in budget. I will always wonder what if....what if Rush hadn't joined? What if he had simply been more patient? What if Clough had been given let's say £5 million? What if, what if?? But no, once again the Ego's landed and the essence of what had been created was completely missed by everyone.....Rush, the Americans, Morris and the fans. We deserve to be where we are now. Clough's achievements recorded as failure by the myopic majority. Crazy money provided to short term managers who were never really committed to DCFC. It's so dire really, its laughable. MM could do much worse than turn the clock back and try to start again with the same guy. Whether we should or shouldn't is irrelevant. It's never going to happen so don't dwell on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irobinson Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Err no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottrillRAM Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 It wouldn't be too bad to give clough another go! He would be able to cut the squad down quite a bit! Interesting that you said think of what Clough would have done with 5m, I would like to think what McClaren would have done with the 25m Clement had - Surely we would have gone up in the first season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 The mistakes started when we sacked Clough?! Wow, just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
needles Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 The mistakes started about a year ago when McClaren couldn't change things when we got injuries and wouldn't commit to us in the Toongate fiasco. It's been a tale of wasted money ever since. Clough would be able to do what he did last time, clear out the deadwood and get a team spirit back, but he isn't coming back except with Burton next season, so forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I'm sorry but replacing NC allowed us to go the next level. What he would have done with £5m is anybody's guess. Maybe another 10 Bryson type signings or 5 Sammons...nobody knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeadlySaul Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Please no, I don't want to see 4-4-2 with Sammon and Martin up front again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 It was terrible what Sam Longson did.... Completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holdontightuk Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 Why is it never going to happen? Because Rush is staying whatever or MM is incapable of seeing how wrong the decision was at the time? Or the anti Clough brigade vocal minority continue to delude themselves......McClaren called the decision "very brave", stating at the time that he had inherited a very good team with great spirit. All he did was light the blue touch paper......too soon, before we were truly ready and likely under pressure from Rush. It's a simple enough conversation for MM....."Nigel, we were wrong, please come back. I'll write off the £25mill spent so far personally and here's another £25mill for you to spend more wisely should you need it. You've got 5 years but 3 would be nice". Then just let him get on with it. If ever a Manager represented the Derby Way, it was Nigel Clough. Slow but sure organic growth. The others and the current situation is based on short cuts to nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Holdontightuk said: Why is it never going to happen? Because Rush is staying whatever or MM is incapable of seeing how wrong the decision was at the time? Or the anti Clough brigade vocal minority continue to delude themselves......McClaren called the decision "very brave", stating at the time that he had inherited a very good team with great spirit. All he did was light the blue touch paper......too soon, before we were truly ready and likely under pressure from Rush. It's a simple enough conversation for MM....."Nigel, we were wrong, please come back. I'll write off the £25mill spent so far personally and here's another £25mill for you to spend more wisely should you need it. You've got 5 years but 3 would be nice". Then just let him get on with it. If ever a Manager represented the Derby Way, it was Nigel Clough. Slow but sure organic growth. The others and the current situation is based on short cuts to nowhere. How did he do when given a big budget at Sheff Utd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Holdontightuk said: Why is it never going to happen? Because Rush is staying whatever or MM is incapable of seeing how wrong the decision was at the time? Or the anti Clough brigade vocal minority continue to delude themselves......McClaren called the decision "very brave", stating at the time that he had inherited a very good team with great spirit. All he did was light the blue touch paper......too soon, before we were truly ready and likely under pressure from Rush. It's a simple enough conversation for MM....."Nigel, we were wrong, please come back. I'll write off the £25mill spent so far personally and here's another £25mill for you to spend more wisely should you need it. You've got 5 years but 3 would be nice". Then just let him get on with it. If ever a Manager represented the Derby Way, it was Nigel Clough. Slow but sure organic growth. The others and the current situation is based on short cuts to nowhere. You actually think that it was Sam Rush's decision to sack Nigel Clough, and fast-forward a couple of years, Mel Morris's by association? On what grounds to you base this fairy tale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I think things started to cock up when we went for Darren Bent. Up to that point we were doing ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Holdontightuk Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 I think Clough was doing well at Sheffield United and, once again, fell victim to deluded people above him......are they doing better this year without him? Are Derby, some 3 years and £25mill later? No to both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColchesterRam Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I blame Phil Brown!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Holdontightuk said: Or the anti Clough brigade vocal minority continue to delude themselves If only we could do a mass poll across all Derby fans to find out if this is truly a minority, you look at the home attendances during his tenure and each season they fell, now either this is a coincidence or fans were voting with their feet. Average attendance 15/16 - 29,359 14/15 - 29,232 13/14 - 24,933 - Clough Left, McClaren arrived 12/13 - 23,228 11/12 - 26,020 10/11 - 26,023 09/10 - 29,230 Clough arrived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holdontightuk Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 Yeah and whilst you're at it do the same for Man Utd fans during Ferguson's first few years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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