glyn1957 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Many years ago a certain jewellery company owner named Mr G Ratner famously stated that some of the goods he sold were CRAP within a few weeks over half a billion was wiped of the value of the shares ,thats what i would call a silly statement . The question i want to ask is ,was Mr Morris doing the same by stating publicly that promotion was not the most important thing for the previous manager and will in all probability be the statement that is sent out to the new one when chosen. So why would anyone purchase a season ticket at all if the intention is not promotion or a very good try for it, i wonder how many season ticket holders are thinking the same and are instead thinking of choosing just certain matches. And just to say i am a real fan for over 48 years now and i bring along two grandsons how do i answer them when they ask me why going up is not important . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 1 minute ago, glyn1957 said: Many years ago a certain jewellery company owner named Mr G Ratner famously stated that some of the goods he sold were CRAP within a few weeks over half a billion was wiped of the value of the shares ,thats what i would call a silly statement . The question i want to ask is ,was Mr Morris doing the same by stating publicly that promotion was not the most important thing for the previous manager and will in all probability be the statement that is sent out to the new one when chosen. So why would anyone purchase a season ticket at all if the intention is not promotion or a very good try for it, i wonder how many season ticket holders are thinking the same and are instead thinking of choosing just certain matches. And just to say i am a real fan for over 48 years now and i bring along two grandsons how do i answer them when they ask me why going up is not important . Hello again. I hope you are treated more politely this time. I still think you are overegging the 'promotion is not important' pudding. All that has been said is that we want to go up within 3 years. So if we don't go up this year but improve the players and the football then it's not the end of the world. It's still the ultimate target but done in a way that means we stay there. If your Grandsons do not seem convinced buy them a DVD of the 11 point season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIWY Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I can't speak for everyone but I go to watch Derby because I love the club, not because we're a promotion chasing side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIWY Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 To be honest I don't think when Mel said promotion is not a priority he didn't mean we are going to aim not to get promoted, he just meant that it's more important to play good football and develop the squad rather than get promotion at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glyn1957 Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 Hi Sage ,i understand your reply completely and i know there are no promises in football but it still was said ,if you were a footballer and were told it does not matter what you do as long as you try would you try your very hardest or would you pull out of a certain tackle that may ruin your season, I want derby to fight for every point they can, this season they have far to meek and mild as for the eleven point season i can remember much worse tuesday night at the old halifax ground in snow comes to mind plus cai has seen the highlights of that year or lowlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 He means that when we get promoted the club is in a position to maintain that level both on & off the pitch. Mel does want promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 2 minutes ago, glyn1957 said: Hi Sage ,i understand your reply completely and i know there are no promises in football but it still was said ,if you were a footballer and were told it does not matter what you do as long as you try would you try your very hardest or would you pull out of a certain tackle that may ruin your season, I want derby to fight for every point they can, this season they have far to meek and mild as for the eleven point season i can remember much worse tuesday night at the old halifax ground in snow comes to mind plus cai has seen the highlights of that year or lowlights We are (or rather should be) trying for every point it just isn't the be all and end all. I think the effort is there, we just look disjointed and confused. Fans always moan that players aren't trying when we lose but it's rarely the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 16 minutes ago, sage said: Hello again. I hope you are treated more politely this time. I still think you are overegging the 'promotion is not important' pudding. All that has been said is that we want to go up within 3 years. So if we don't go up this year but improve the players and the football then it's not the end of the world. It's still the ultimate target but done in a way that means we stay there. If your Grandsons do not seem convinced buy them a DVD of the 11 point season. For me its the quality of the football that is the attraction, but its what has not been said that counts (at least for those not tainted by personal chit chats with God on high ). What has not been said is that promotion remains important this season and this is very disappointing. Worse than that we seem, with the lack of appointment of a permanent coach/manager , to be in limbo till the summer. I will be renewing but to imagine that most will feel the same is complacent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archied Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Any time I get chance to go to games I go no matter whether we are good at the time or ***** at the time , I'm a Derby fan , can't ever be changed and would never want to be the kind of person who could change it ,,,,,,, one thing though , great or ***** I want Derby to be going all out ,,, whether he meant it or not Mel has given the perception to fans that promotion this season or next come to that is not important to him and Derby county ,,, wrong ,, promotion or trying everything to achieve it is important EVERY season , it's what you do with that promotion that counts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I assume everyone buying a season ticket is buying one because they support the club and want to see success. I'm pretty sure MM wants success his "season ticket" is costing a lot more than mine. I have listened to what MM has said and took it on board. I certainly don't want another season in the premier league like the last one. I want us to go up as much as the next person but I don't want to go up and end up going backwards six years. So may be a few glory hunters may be put off but I won't. I'm looking forward to next season what ever league we're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top 6 finish Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 37 minutes ago, sage said: Hello again. I hope you are treated more politely this time. I still think you are overegging the 'promotion is not important' pudding. All that has been said is that we want to go up within 3 years. So if we don't go up this year but improve the players and the football then it's not the end of the world. It's still the ultimate target but done in a way that means we stay there. If your Grandsons do not seem convinced buy them a DVD of the 11 point season. Who said we want to go up within 3 years and when was it said.I haven't seen that. Do you have a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archied Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Oh and as for our record breaking disaster in the prem ,,, it was not the winning of that promotion to early or in the wrong way that caused the embarrassing disaster we don't want a repeat of ,,,,NO ,,, it was not getting rid of that poisonous little tw;t right after his Wembley antics when it became clear he was a loon who would drag us right back down and getting in a better manager and backing him financially to stay there ,,,,, Mel promotion can come in many ways , it's what you do when it does as much as how you get it,,,,, you are a fan like us ,, I think you would be pretty confused and disappointed if you were not the owner but rather hearing this stuff from an owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top 6 finish Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 With all the millions available in the Prem next season we should be able to build and sustain a team that can stay there for a few years. If we don't get there, other teams will get the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 51 minutes ago, glyn1957 said: Many years ago a certain jewellery company owner named Mr G Ratner famously stated that some of the goods he sold were CRAP within a few weeks over half a billion was wiped of the value of the shares ,thats what i would call a silly statement . The question i want to ask is ,was Mr Morris doing the same by stating publicly that promotion was not the most important thing for the previous manager and will in all probability be the statement that is sent out to the new one when chosen. So why would anyone purchase a season ticket at all if the intention is not promotion or a very good try for it, i wonder how many season ticket holders are thinking the same and are instead thinking of choosing just certain matches. And just to say i am a real fan for over 48 years now and i bring along two grandsons how do i answer them when they ask me why going up is not important . You should tell them that seeing their team playing entertaining football is much more important than promotion, although promotion should be a likely outcome of playing well. Ask them if they would be happy to watch Derby lose every week in the Premier League. If the answer is yes, MOTD is more appropriate than The iPro for them. Tell them as Derby fans there will be ups and downs, good times and bad times. Most importantly tell them to fully enjoy the good times they have to endure the bad times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 23 minutes ago, DRBee said: For me its the quality of the football that is the attraction, but its what has not been said that counts (at least for those not tainted by personal chit chats with God on high ). What has not been said is that promotion remains important this season and this is very disappointing. Worse than that we seem, with the lack of appointment of a permanent coach/manager , to be in limbo till the summer. I will be renewing but to imagine that most will feel the same is complacent. This quote from Mel from the BBC says different. "We wanted to build on the squad, develop them, get on a rising tide of performance and let that carry us through into the Premier League - whether that was this season, next season or beyond. I think, for Paul, that was too long a view." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, top 6 finish said: With all the millions available in the Prem next season we should be able to build and sustain a team that can stay there for a few years. If we don't get there, other teams will get the money. Why? Everyone else in the Premier League will have the money too and will already be at least one season ahead of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavesaRam Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 15 minutes ago, Gritters said: I assume everyone buying a season ticket is buying one because they support the club and want to see success. I'm pretty sure MM wants success his "season ticket" is costing a lot more than mine. I have listened to what MM has said and took it on board. I certainly don't want another season in the premier league like the last one. I want us to go up as much as the next person but I don't want to go up and end up going backwards six years. So may be a few glory hunters may be put off but I won't. I'm looking forward to next season what ever league we're in. Our 11-point fiasco wasn't because we went up too early. It was entirely in the hands of the poison dwarf who, as he was looking at the ribbons on the trophy, was already plotting his heist operation. As soon as the play-off final was over, he cleared off on holiday, then moaned about being promoted via the play-offs put the club several weeks behind everybody else in the transfer market, suggesting that by the time he started looking, all the key players had been snapped up. It was him that left us playing catch-up, not the play-offs. He then approached the sophisticated playing style by making Derby play hoofball, which doesn't work, and never has done in the top flight, apart from a brief flurry in the old Wimbledon days. If only the little scrote was interested in the club and the fans instead of his back pocket, we could have achieved so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 13 minutes ago, top 6 finish said: With all the millions available in the Prem next season we should be able to build and sustain a team that can stay there for a few years. If we don't get there, other teams will get the money. Won't every other team also have the dosh, some much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
top 6 finish Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 If we get there this season the won't have a start on us,and all the other teams in the Premier League will have it but the rest of the leagues won't will they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 @glyn1957, just bite the bullet and renew, if nothing else you get to spend a few hours extra with the grandkids. For me watching Derby's a lot like playing golf, 1 good round in 10, 2 ok-ish rounds, and the rest a mixture of frustration and disappointment, always keep going back though, because you never know what's round the corner! I could have gone Swiss Toni with that analogy, the numbers are similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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