AndyinLiverpool Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 11 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Was it not you that was against Lingard being in the squad but you like Dele Alli? And that in one sentence sums up now fickle England fans can be! It is possible to like one player but not another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Did anyone notice Lee Dixon at half time pointing out Stones running over to the touch line with no one to pass to? Reminded me of Keogh. Maybe he doesn't release the ball for the same reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 3 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: It is possible to like one player but not another. But I thought young players from big clubs without much Premier League experience shouldn't be in the England squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 England decent, France well off it, understandable given circumstances. Lets not forget an attack was attempted on their match as well as the other horrors in Paris that night. Anyway, I'm still dubious about Euro2016 and think QF exit would be expectations met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Two good goals. I think I enjoyed that tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I broke my lack of endurance record for watching an England match, today. My new record now stands at three minutes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby blood Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Half decent match , great support from England fans , for France tonight which was great to see , the real victory tonight was football , together we are stronger. We shall not be defeated,by mindless acts of terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 2 hours ago, Alpha said: Is it bad that I don't know who Tony Daley is? Doesn't play for Beautiful South too does he? He's bit of a diver isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: But I thought young players from big clubs without much Premier League experience shouldn't be in the England squad? joker, he'd played 60 odd games in the lower leagues before he's 18. he's been a regular in most of the games for a top 6 spurs team this season, making a huge step up from mk dons. he's still 19. Lingard hasnt played that many games at 23, couldnt dislodge Derby County wingers last season and has been thrown a bone by Van Gaal because he spent loads of cash on a dodgy dutch winger. get the younguns playing by all means, just the ones that are really decent prospects. if lingard played for a bottom half prem team he wouldnt have even been considered and you know it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 6 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said: joker, he'd played 60 odd games in the lower leagues before he's 18. he's been a regular in most of the games for a top 6 spurs team this season, making a huge step up from mk dons. he's still 19. Lingard hasnt played that many games at 23, couldnt dislodge Derby County wingers last season and has been thrown a bone by Van Gaal because he spent loads of cash on a dodgy dutch winger. get the younguns playing by all means, just the ones that are really decent prospects. if lingard played for a bottom half prem team he wouldnt have even been considered and you know it Ali has played 70 odd games in League One and 10 in the Premiership. Lingard 40 odd in The Championship and 5 in Premier League/Champions League. As previously stated, is there not a reason Lingard is at Man United rather than a bottom half team? Are you suggesting All would be in the England team if he was at Bournemouth say instead of Spurs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 12 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: But I thought young players from big clubs without much Premier League experience shouldn't be in the England squad? I questioned how a player who has started 2 PL games & could only make the bench of a Championship side 6 months ago could make the England side. I also mentioned Will Hughes and said that with the likes of players being included, if he was playing for Tottenham and fit, he'd most likely be in the squad too. If Alli played for Derby or a lower PL side I don't think he'd have been in the squad, that's just my opinion. Doesn't stop me thinking he's a good player, which was evident in the quality of his goal and all round performance. If you're going to try and start an argument at least try and make it logical please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 47 minutes ago, Kernow said: I questioned how a player who has started 2 PL games & could only make the bench of a Championship side 6 months ago could make the England side. I also mentioned Will Hughes and said that with the likes of players being included, if he was playing for Tottenham and fit, he'd most likely be in the squad too. If Alli played for Derby or a lower PL side I don't think he'd have been in the squad, that's just my opinion. Doesn't stop me thinking he's a good player, which was evident in the quality of his goal and all round performance. If you're going to try and start an argument at least try and make it logical please. That's fair comment, but maybe last night showed he has been picked on ability rather than the mis-conception that it's just because he plays for Tottenham...just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 5 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Ali has played 70 odd games in League One and 10 in the Premiership. Lingard 40 odd in The Championship and 5 in Premier League/Champions League. As previously stated, is there not a reason Lingard is at Man United rather than a bottom half team? Are you suggesting All would be in the England team if he was at Bournemouth say instead of Spurs? Alli has done the buiness and earned a "promotion" , he's started at the bottom and worked his way up.... Lingard started at the top, moved down, did f*ck all and then moved back up again, and is 4 years older. there is a reason alli isnt with bournemouth but i imagine he'd be decent for them, i cant say i think the same for ode jesse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: That's fair comment, but maybe last night showed he has been picked on ability rather than the mis-conception that it's just because he plays for Tottenham...just a thought. Yes I'm not questioning his ability I just question whether a player of the same ability from a lower club would get a chance. The same with Lingard, is he truly good enough when for United & England? He'd surely have made our side if that was the case. Zaha is a good example. Does well in the Championship, signs for United in January 2013 but stays at Palace - no call up. Joins United in the summer, August 2013 called up and plays twice for United. Rejoins Palace, plays well consistently and no call up. It does make you ask questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 8 minutes ago, Kernow said: Yes I'm not questioning his ability I just question whether a player of the same ability from a lower club would get a chance. The same with Lingard, is he truly good enough when for United & England? He'd surely have made our side if that was the case. Zaha is a good example. Does well in the Championship, signs for United in January 2013 but stays at Palace - no call up. Joins United in the summer, August 2013 called up and plays twice for United. Rejoins Palace, plays well consistently and no call up. It does make you ask questions. totally agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 58 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: Alli has done the buiness and earned a "promotion" , he's started at the bottom and worked his way up.... Lingard started at the top, moved down, did f*ck all and then moved back up again, and is 4 years older. there is a reason alli isnt with bournemouth but i imagine he'd be decent for them, i cant say i think the same for ode jesse Wasn't Lingard a stand out player for Brighton when they reached the play offs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 36 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Wasn't Lingard a stand out player for Brighton when they reached the play offs? oh yeah. actually, you've changed my mind. he's really good and i think he's the future of the national team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 21 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: oh yeah. actually, you've changed my mind. he's really good and i think he's the future of the national team. It's amazing how really, REALLY clever people can answer a completely different question and use it to win a totally different argument. My hat goes off to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 58 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said: oh yeah. actually, you've changed my mind. he's really good and i think he's the future of the national team. Not trying to change your mind, just pointing out that your logic for why he should not be given his chance is flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Gonzo Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 5 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Not trying to change your mind, just pointing out that your logic for why he should not be given his chance is flawed. whats my logic? that i don't think he's good enough? or that i don't think he's particularly proved himself at any level enough to warrant an international call up and therefore not really earned his chance on merit but because of the prestige of the the club he developed through? Either way flawed or not, its just what i think. we're only still talking about it because we keep answering each other even though we clearly have different opinions. i'm not that arsed about it though, i mean i'd sooner watch the whole under 21's given a go at international level just to see if they could actually grow into a decent outfit eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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