Tombo Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 What a useless article. "Fans have taken to Twitter". I thought Sav warned the local media about regurgitating unsubstantiated rumours years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Maybe a chance for a 4-5-1/4-3-3? Hanson the deepest of the mids with hendrick and butterfield either side, johnson and ince as wide midfielders and martin the hold up man? I know Johnson has played wide midfield for Norwich in a midfield 4 but has he ever played as a wide forward? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbobram Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Butterfield BrysonRussell Ince Johnson Martin I would start playing Ince in the middle, so far this season he's looked more dangerous there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Ram Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Butterfield BrysonRussell Ince Johnson Martin I would start playing Ince in the middle, so far this season he's looked more dangerous there. have to disagree there - I think has looked his most ineffective when we've played him behind the front 1/2. Far more dangerous when he cuts in from the wing, just a pity he hasnt started firing in the 20 Yarders of last season yet (almost looks like he's been told to shoot less?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackhasler23 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Butterfield BrysonRussell Ince Johnson Martin I would start playing Ince in the middle, so far this season he's looked more dangerous there. So you want a six a side team with martin in goal and a back line of Russell, Ince and BJ not bad, we might get out first three points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valleyram Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 George Thorne is a good player but if he's that good why we no win a game yet , tell you why he needs runners and legs beside him and Bryson has been a bigger loss than some of you think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam the Ram Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 George Thorne is a good player but if he's that good why we no win a game yet , tell you why he needs runners and legs beside him and Bryson has been a bigger loss than some of you think Because it takes more than 1 player to win a match maybe? Bryson was a big loss, but that was before we signed Butterfield and Johnson, but now, when all our players are fit, Bryson is probably the 5th or 6th choice centre mid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 So you want a six a side team with martin in goal and a back line of Russell, Ince and BJ not bad, we might get out first three points OI! I already cracked that joke on page 1, 8 hours ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 George Thorne is a good player but if he's that good why we no win a game yet , tell you why he needs runners and legs beside him and Bryson has been a bigger loss than some of you think Agree with the point but how many deep lying midifelders win games on their own?!Its not necessarily Bryson that we miss, it is getting the ball into Martins feet and having ANY player running off him.The tactics have changed and we play in a slow laboured way.As much as I like Bryson I do not feel he would have had much effect on the results so far because we have not played in a way that suits his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackhasler23 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 OI! I already cracked that joke on page 1, 8 hours ago!Oh, fairplay top quality comedian right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcnram Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Agree with the point but how many deep lying midifelders win games on their own?!Its not necessarily Bryson that we miss, it is getting the ball into Martins feet and having ANY player running off him.The tactics have changed and we play in a slow laboured way.As much as I like Bryson I do not feel he would have had much effect on the results so far because we have not played in a way that suits his game.I think that we have been desperate for Bryson (or someone taking on that role) and running beyond Martin. We are also missing that role for arriving late for the balls in from the wide areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Agree with the point but how many deep lying midifelders win games on their own?!Its not necessarily Bryson that we miss, it is getting the ball into Martins feet and having ANY player running off him.The tactics have changed and we play in a slow laboured way.As much as I like Bryson I do not feel he would have had much effect on the results so far because we have not played in a way that suits his game.Have to say as good as the CB's have been for defending they could do an awful lot more on the ball to speed things up. Not all the time but sometimes there's acres in front of them that they need to step into. I know people don't like to see CB's go on tour but right now no teams are applying pressure to them because the pair of them are killing tempo and are harmless. The aggression has to start with them. You attack from the back and defend from the front. It wasn't always the way under McClaren with Keogh and Buxton. Teams did try to stop us playing from the back and Keogh and Buxton used to perform better under pressure. Buxton with his decent long balls and Keogh with his little adventures. But for some reason when you give our CB's time and space instead of thriving in it, they have a nap. Not all the time. But too often. And it shouldn't take a goal against to wake them upIn my opinion anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilsonram12 Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Butterfield BrysonRussell Ince Johnson Martin I would start playing Ince in the middle, so far this season he's looked more dangerous there. I feel it's gonna be a diamond, with Johnson on left and butters on right ince at the tip and Thorne at back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StringerBell Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Butterfield BrysonRussell Ince Johnson Martin I would start playing Ince in the middle, so far this season he's looked more dangerous there. I prefer Ince wide. Karanka didn't like the idea of playing Butterfield there too much. I know Johnson can play wide in a midfield 4 but not sure if he's got the pace to be effective in that formation? Bryson in defensive midfield? He's not disciplined enough and it limits his greatest strength - running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I think that we have been desperate for Bryson (or someone taking on that role) and running beyond Martin. We are also missing that role for arriving late for the balls in from the wide areas.I think we need to start getting the ball into Martin before we start worrying about who is making runs off him.Would be very interested to see some stats on the number of touches Martin is getting and in what areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Have to say as good as the CB's have been for defending they could do an awful lot more on the ball to speed things up. Not all the time but sometimes there's acres in front of them that they need to step into. I know people don't like to see CB's go on tour but right now no teams are applying pressure to them because the pair of them are killing tempo and are harmless. The aggression has to start with them. You attack from the back and defend from the front. It wasn't always the way under McClaren with Keogh and Buxton. Teams did try to stop us playing from the back and Keogh and Buxton used to perform better under pressure. Buxton with his decent long balls and Keogh with his little adventures. But for some reason when you give our CB's time and space instead of thriving in it, they have a nap. Not all the time. But too often. And it shouldn't take a goal against to wake them upIn my opinion anyway. Yes they are a major part of the problem at the moment, people go on about us having 65 - 70% possession but most of the time it is between Keogh and Shackell deep in our own half.For me there is too big a gap between Thorne and Martin. We need to be getting Thorne on the ball further up the field but as you say this would require the CBs carrying the ball out rather than waiting for Thorne to come back and take it from off their feet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I think we need to start getting the ball into Martin before we start worrying about who is making runs off him. Would be very interested to see some stats on the number of touches Martin is getting and in what areas. According to Whoscored... Martin touches versus Bolton: Martin's touches versus Charlton: Martin's touches versus Boro: Martin's touches versus Birmingham: And finally his touches versus Leeds: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I think that makes encouraging viewing. Maybe could be getting more touches, but the areas he's getting in are quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I love those average position things. I think you can learn a lot from them. Stats etc are quite telling when combined but mean bugger all when seperatedPossession on its own tells you nothing unless you know the score for the majority of the match and the territory. v Charlton I thought we were spot on. Should have won that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramchop Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I love those average position things. I think you can learn a lot from them. Stats etc are quite telling when combined but mean bugger all when seperatedThe problem with averaging is that it doesn't show the whole picture. If a fullbacks average position is on the halfway line, he's either been bombing up down all game, or has spent a long time on the halfway line! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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