Curtains Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 50 runs short, I reckon.Not coming on to the bat so much now though so we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Not coming on to the bat so much now though so we will see. Paradoxically, it might speed up later under lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Paradoxically, it might speed up later under lights.Dew might be a problem as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLACML Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 To slow though mateWhat nonsense, that's a ridiculous expectation on players. His job is to hold the innings together which he did well. As I said before today - 49,43,101 and still people moan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 What nonsense, that's a ridiculous expectation on players. His job is to hold the innings together which he did well. As I said before today - 49,43,101 and still people moan.The problem today was those playing around him, throwing their wickets away by pressing too soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 The problem today was those playing around him, throwing their wickets away by pressing too soon. They had to push, someone, preferably most , have to score at., at least a run a ball. when Morgan was in it was him, when he got out Taylor should have taken over the mantle, when he did not the others had to try,Taylor was more bothered about getting three figures than playing for the team, OK in test cricket but limited overs no you must adapt, he was in he should have pushed when Morgan went. , Root goes big he goes fast 9 times out of ten. The commentators said as much , fine century ,overdue , but a bit slow . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 They had to push, someone, preferably most , have to score at., at least a run a ball. when Morgan was in it was him, when he got out Taylor should have taken over the mantle, when he did not the others had to try,Taylor was more bothered about getting three figures than playing for the team, OK in test cricket but limited overs no you must adapt, he was in he should have pushed when Morgan went. , Root goes big he goes fast 9 times out of ten. The commentators said as much , fine century ,overdue , but a bit slow .If Taylor had pushed straight after Morgan went and been dismissed, England would in all likelihood been all out for 270. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLACML Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 'Root goes big he goes fast 9 times out of ten'. I suppose he averages well over 50 with a SR of 150 then eh? Drivel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 If Taylor had pushed straight after Morgan went and been dismissed, England would in all likelihood been all out for 270. Sure, but me being a bit silly, if everyone had scored a fast as Taylor the score would have been 266 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Sure, but me being a bit silly, if everyone had scored a fast as Taylor the score would have been 266 Sorry, but that argument is flawed because you are extrapolating backwards to suit your own argument. A fairer way to assess the situation would be to take the moment that Morgan was dismissed as pivotal (the point at which a Taylor acceleration should have come, or the point from which a less reckless approach from the others could have applied), then to apply Taylor's scoring-rate to everything that occurred to the end of the innings. Morgan was dismissed after 33 overs and 1 ball, leaving 101 deliveries to go. Of those, Taylor notched up 42 runs from 47 balls, leaving everyone else 54 balls , from which they would have amassed 48 runs themselves. We can also assume that the extras registered in that time would have remained the same, and the number of wickets would have also remained the same. Applying those rules, England would have scored..... 300-8. Which is exactly what they did score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 England going well now .Australia 83-2 after 17 overs Smith out. Finch going well though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Sorry, but that argument is flawed because you are extrapolating backwards to suit your own argument. A fairer way to assess the situation would be to take the moment that Morgan was dismissed as pivotal (the point at which a Taylor acceleration should have come, or the point from which a less reckless approach from the others could have applied), then to apply Taylor's scoring-rate to everything that occurred to the end of the innings.Morgan was dismissed after 33 overs and 1 ball, leaving 101 deliveries to go.Of those, Taylor notched up 42 runs from 47 balls, leaving everyone else 54 balls , from which they would have amassed 48 runs themselves. We can also assume that the extras registered in that time would have remained the same, and the number of wickets would have also remained the same.Applying those rules, England would have scored.....300-8.Which is exactly what they did score. If England had scored all game as fast as they did after Morgan got out they would have scored 275. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 England spinners doing the business. 3 down Finch out 107-3 after 23 overs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 England spinners doing the business. 3 down Finch out 107-3 after 23 overs Mo is turning it sideways . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 If England had scored all game as fast as they did after Morgan got out they would have scored 275.The point I was making from far earlier in the thread was that the pivotal moment was the dismissal of Morgan - and that's the point at which the usual suspects started laying all the blame on Taylor, so that's the point from which I extrapolated the 'if everyone played like Taylor' scenario.Don't you think that the 31 balls Hales spent in accumulating a massive 9 is more of a cause for concern. rather than the fine century that will see England winning and Taylor being voted Man of the Match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 The point I was making from far earlier in the thread was that the pivotal moment was the dismissal of Morgan - and that's the point at which the usual suspects started laying all the blame on Taylor, so that's the point from which I extrapolated the 'if everyone played like Taylor' scenario. Don't you think that the 31 balls Hales spent in accumulating a massive 9 is more of a cause for concern. rather than the fine century that will see England winning and Taylor being voted Man of the Match? When Hales was in they where still scoring over a run a ball.( I am wrong again 52 from 57 when Hales went ) Who' s the usual suspects, I thought there was only me. Nasser covered himself , before the Aussies fell apart he said if we win Taylor did the right thing, if we lose then maybe he may come in for some criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 When Hales was in they where still scoring over a run a ball.Who' s the usual suspects, I thought there was only me.Nasser covered himself , before the Aussies fell apart he said if we win Taylor did the right thing, if we lose then maybe he may come in for some criticism.Doesn't the possibility that he played the way he did due to team orders/instructions register at all with you? When you have someone blasting away at the other end, like first of all Roy, then Morgan were doing, surely the objective of the guy at the other end is to rotate the strike by taking a single? Then after those two departed, with wickets continuing to fall, it became imperative that someone batted through?I must be dim then, because it seems obvious to me, but clearly I am wrong otherwise you wouldn't be going to such lengths to make a point, so I'm just going to bow out here and plead stupidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Doesn't the possibility that he played the way he did due to team orders/instructions register at all with you? When you have someone blasting away at the other end, like first of all Roy, then Morgan were doing, surely the objective of the guy at the other end is to rotate the strike by taking a single? Then after those two departed, with wickets continuing to fall, it became imperative that someone batted through? I must be dim then, because it seems obvious to me, but clearly I am wrong otherwise you wouldn't be going to such lengths to make a point, so I'm just going to bow out here and plead stupidity. You always come with that attitude Eddie. You are talking after the fact I said he was IMO scoring too slowly DURING the game , big difference , take your bow , I will clap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Too easy , cracking catch from Roy, 2/1 series back on . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Roy makes a great catch in the deep with 2 nd attempt to get Agar 165-7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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