DRBee Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 It's not misleading. That is his record in his final 16 games with us. Which forms part of the reason he was sacked. PC should be given the opportunity by the naysayers to at least play 16 league games and compare with that record. Despite how some of us think we are capable of automatic promotion, the play off route is easily attainable. PC will only have to do slightly better than that form for the entire season to make the play offs. Honestly I don't quite know what your issue is. That I want to give PC a third of the season before people form opinions or that I highlighted SM record in the final third of last season. The issue is that MacClaren had a VERY SUCCESSFUL 18 months before the decline at the end of last season - that should be part of judgement as to whether it was right to sack him. Clement has only just arrived and so the criteria must be different. Very simple really, shouldn't be hard to grasp unless of course you have an agenda against MacClaren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloughandtaylor Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Only as good as your last game, is the saying.We do need to see an improvement soon than later, hopefully he can get it right for the Charlton game............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tombo Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 "Well done boys. You tried really hard. Good effort Granty, you'll catch it next time! Hard luck there Pearcey, you almost had him! Cracking passing Bairdy! Some of them nearly went to our team!" Ecouragement! Whoop! It's Clement's job to give them criticism, which they will have had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcreece1601 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I'm confident he'll get used to being the number one at a club and he will do it with Derby , I reckon about 3-4 game he'll crack it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobyWanKenobi Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 It's Clement's job to give them criticism, which they will have had.and I eagerly await the Charlton game to hopefully se that it has made a positive impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 As a new poster (this is my first, although I'm an avid reader) I enjoy reading the contrasting views. In some cases extreme views about players, manager, tactics, etc. Surely, that's what makes football what it is. We are all a little shell shocked after our summer spending, because we thought it would translate into an immediate run of results leading to the prem. 10 million on paper is enough to lever the club out of the division. However, other clubs are spending too, so the division has become much tighter. We must judge clement at Christmas, when he's had more time to work with the players and systems. To judge him after 2 games is ludicrous. Welcome and I can agree with most of that but we should not have been expecting an immediate return. Of course it could still happen but I said many times that expectations needed to be kept in check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The issue is that MacClaren had a VERY SUCCESSFUL 18 months before the decline at the end of last season - that should be part of judgement as to whether it was right to sack him. Clement has only just arrived and so the criteria must be different. Very simple really, shouldn't be hard to grasp unless of course you have an agenda against MacClaren.You just seem angry. I don't deny he didn't. My point has been simple and clear. People can't really form an opinion of PC until about a third of the way through the season. Got to give him the chance. Some people, no doubt yourself don't think SM last 16 games were worthy on their own of him being sacked. I would personally say it is a grey area. But if people were willing to stick by that record for a third of a season then those already looking concerned with PC, should give him 16 games and compare it to his predecessor. In my view his record will be better and he and the club can push on from there. Because when SM began, no one demanded that we make the play offs in his first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Why ask questions now if we need to give him another couple of months before forming an opinion?Wouldn't that make the answers now knee jerk due to the severe emotional distress caused by our Capital One Cup exit?Asking questions doesn't mean you've formed your opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImARam2 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The criticism of Clement after one league game & one cup game is ridiculous. Every new manager/coach has new ideas and players will require playing time to adjust and not all players will be able to or are reluctant to do so.As a number of already mentioned, several other managers started very slowly and at the end of the season Derby were promoted. Remember, under Nigel Clough, we once began with 4 straight league wins and ended up mid-table !!Clement has now only got league games to concentrate on and he must pick, in his opinion, his best eleven and barring injury or suspension, he must stick with it, especially the defence and midfield.Every team we come up against this season will be "up for it" and see Derby as buying their way out of the Championship - remember we have had the same attitude against QPR, and will be in our faces. Wait until we meet Forest and see what I mean on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloughandtaylor Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Have things really improved?5 games in now and still no win, the performances are poor which is the real issue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Have things really improved?5 games in now and still no win, the performances are poor which is the real issue!The performances are fine. If Hendrick had buried that sitter instead of Wood scoring that wonderstrike we'd have been hailing Clement right now. We're performing fine, but things will take time with all the change in the off season. You'd have hoped for a better start, but this reaction so early is silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Harford Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Maybe Clement and Sam Rush shouldn't have fired Eric after he told them he would stay.He is the wrong manager as far as I am concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Maybe Clement and Sam Rush shouldn't have fired Eric after he told them he would stay.He is the wrong manager as far as I am concerned. Who'd you have then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Vegas Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Feel Clement has been dealt a bad hand, both with injuries and poor signings. He clearly has talent as a coach, and he is not to blame at all for that first-half showing. That was all the players' own doing.But, there are weaknesses too. The substitutions were poor, and leaving out Dawkins is criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Harford Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Who'd you have then? That is the answer, and I don't know to be honest. I'd just prefer honest people, and I do not think Mr. Clement is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inglorius Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Feel Clement has been dealt a bad hand, both with injuries and poor signings. He clearly has talent as a coach, and he is not to blame at all for that first-half showing. That was all the players' own doing.But, there are weaknesses too. The substitutions were poor, and leaving out Dawkins is criminal.I'm looking through your posts now to find one in which you don't criticise the signing of Bent or arent critical of Clement not giving Dawkins enough game time, still looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Harford Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 And by the way, I hope I am wrong as I love Derby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I don't think Clement's ability is in question, what I do wonder though is if the players believe in him or his methods.That might seem odd to some because there have been glimpses of our old selves but I can't explain how a Derby team at home to Leeds would perform so ineptly in that first half as ours did today. I don't think the word disgrace is an exaggeration, where was the urgency or dare I say pride ?Some players don't look like they are enjoying themselves to me so I wonder if all is well at the training ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stimacked Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Too early to say. This home defeat to Leeds is not going to help his cause one bit. Part of the problem is he has had wrotten luck with injuries. He is also lumbered with player signings he doesn't choose. We are heading for midtable at best at this rate. Every manager will make decisions which some fans don't like. He is a total novice as a head coach. He needs some luck and maybe a couple of overpriced signings to join and help drag us to a win somewhere and attempt to get our season going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Personally I lay the blame more with the players, you can see when they get going the tactics are fine. Didn't want it enough today. Think injuries have been a big hindrance as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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