Curtains Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Queens Park Rangers revealed they have begun legal proceedings against the Football League, a day after being relegated from the Premier League.The club say they are challenging "the legality of the Championship Financial Fair Play rules", which could leave them facing a fine of up to £58m.Rangers said any charge for breaching the rules would not begin until the outcome of their challenge was known.Their relegation was confirmed by Sunday's 6-0 loss at Manchester City.In March, the club announced losses of £9.8m, but £60m worth of loans were written off by owner Tony Fernandes and other shareholders.A failure to pay any fine imposed could see the London side being refused entry into the Championship. PS Sorry Ronnie for using PS but I bet you the Football League lose this case . Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Old hat mate. http://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18476-what-will-happen-to-qpr/?page=2 Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 Old hat mate. http://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18476-what-will-happen-to-qpr/?page=2 Right but that thread title doesn't state QPR are taking legal action does it lol and I reckon the Football League will lose this case as I've always said FFP is a farce Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 If they continually allow that pr1ck Cellinio to run Leeds they're nowhere near intelligent enough to make this stick. They'll be a greatly reduced fine, a ruffle of the hair and be told "Now play nice with the other kids and don't do it again, you little scamp" Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Right but that thread title doesn't state QPR are taking legal action does it lol and I reckon the Football League will lose this case as I've always said FFP is a farce No, you are quite right, it doesn't mention that QPR are taking legal action in the title but I did mention it in my post see below, Posted 18 hours ago · Report postAnd so it begins, QPR today began a legal challenge against The Football League regarding their possible fine of around 58 million quid.http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11711/9846074/qpr-challenge-financial-fair-play-rules-with-fine-loomingAs I wrote earlier, the whole thing will be a whitewash, somebody will get a nice bung and QPR will take their place in the championship next season. The whole thing stinks. Anyway, my reply to you was only a lighthearted "got there before you" kind of thing, I wasn't having a go, I do think Rangers will get away with any punishment though and that's unfair to those that have restricted their financial dealings to comply with the rules. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 No, you are quite right, it doesn't mention that QPR are taking legal action in the title but I did mention it in my post see below, Posted 18 hours ago · Report postAnd so it begins, QPR today began a legal challenge against The Football League regarding their possible fine of around 58 million quid.http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11711/9846074/qpr-challenge-financial-fair-play-rules-with-fine-loomingAs I wrote earlier, the whole thing will be a whitewash, somebody will get a nice bung and QPR will take their place in the championship next season. The whole thing stinks. Anyway, my reply to you was only a lighthearted "got there before you" kind of thing, I wasn't having a go, I do think Rangers will get away with any punishment though and that's unfair to those that have restricted their financial dealings to comply with the rules. I did notice that yes but just thought it needed resurrecting as its important don't you think and I never knew about the other thread until you pointed it out. Sorry about that .Be interesting to see what happens but I can't see QPR being put out of business over this can you. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEL Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Football league will win the case. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearl Ram Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I did notice that yes but just thought it needed resurrecting as its important don't you think and I never knew about the other thread until you pointed it out. Sorry about that .Be interesting to see what happens but I can't see QPR being put out of business over this can you. No mate I can't and this will then mean clubs like Notts Forest who have also flaunted FFP rules will then launch appeals citing if it's good enough for QPR to get away with it, it's good enough for us and so the whole thing becomes a farce and those that have transgressed get away with it and those that have stuck to the rules could have missed out on a promotion and it's financial rewards as QPR look like doing. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I think the Football League will dig their heels in here and win the day, assuming of course the legality of the Agreement that all clubs entered into is not flawed. QPR are an ideal challenger for the League, because if they win the legal argument they can be pretty certain that Fernandez and Mittal have the personal funds to address the matter. If those two don't, then the Fans of QPR will only have the owners to blame for ruining their club with poor financial administration in the first place, and then running away from their responsibilities. It will also send out the right message to other clubs, e.g. Forest, that the FFP rules have teeth. Bring it on I say. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derbados Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Football league will win it, hands down. Stupid owners like Fernandes and fridgy, with their "world class" back street lawyer mates who have always been preaching from the rooftops that it is "illegal" and "beatable", well, they are in for a bit of a shock! Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 This is the big one then. A statement has to be made that FFP are no joke, or it'll just be walked over in the future. It'll be interesting to see the outcome here. There was a case in Australia recently with a football club, Perth Glory, trying to challenge the FFA (the Australia equivalent of the FA) over the 'legality' (or words to that effect) of them being excluded from the finals series (the A-league's playoffs, it's how Australia decides their Champions) due to alleged salary cap breaches. Big game was talked, but ultimately the FFA aren't pushovers, and Perth "withdrew" their complaints within that week if I recall. It's a whole different level being talked here though. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 QPR have to be punished, if they win then clubs that have had embargos imposed such as Forest will rightly feel agrieved and could instigate their own legal action to seek compensation.I really do hope QPR have the book thrown at them for breaking the rules although i dont actually fully agree with the rules.I do actually feel that provided a clubs losses are covered by the owner or owners then they should be able to spend what they want. Where it causes a problem is when a 'loan' is given, just like Bolton, almost all their debt is to their owner but its still a loan, if he turned round tomorrow and said im writing it off then it should be ok for him to do so.I dont know if Fawaz is covering the debt at forest or if its 'loans', the idea of FFP is surely to avoid situations like Portsmouth , go into administration and agree to pay creditors 10 p in the pound, then do it again and agree 10 p in the pound again meaning that they actually paid back 1 p in the pound. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 This could be the beginning of the end for promotion and relegation involving the premier league. Take an extreme outcome - QPR lose their legal battle. Without a league to play in, they apply to the premier league to be allowed to take part and are readmitted; other relegated clubs cry foul and are also readmitted; 'promoted' clubs are refused admission to the premier league.Ok, perhaps not this time, but the next time a significant club are relegated - one with serious clout such as Newcastle - and that little snowball starts gathering momentum. Soon enough, it's an avalanche that nobody can stop.That's why the Football League needs to win. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaddesdenRam Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Out of interest if QPR have to play in the conference will an extra team come up from league 1 this season to make up the numbers? Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 QPR, Forest, Leeds and Blackburn should form a break away league, get their own TV deal, someone like Wonga would be willing to sponsor it Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 The FL will cave in. Sorry it's off topic but what was QPR's punishment for when they played Faurlin? Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 This could be the beginning of the end for promotion and relegation involving the premier league. Take an extreme outcome - QPR lose their legal battle. Without a league to play in, they apply to the premier league to be allowed to take part and are readmitted; other relegated clubs cry foul and are also readmitted; 'promoted' clubs are refused admission to the premier league.Ok, perhaps not this time, but the next time a significant club are relegated - one with serious clout such as Newcastle - and that little snowball starts gathering momentum. Soon enough, it's an avalanche that nobody can stop.That's why the Football League needs to win.Except the issue would be a greatly more complicated than that. People talk doomsday theories about the Premier League becoming a closed shop, but the problem for them is that it simply wouldn't work. Forget the damage a lake of promotion and relegation would do to "the brand", the big problem is Europe. The Premier League needs the Champions League and the Europa League. If they run foul with the FA there would be problems, and making the Premier League a closed shop, shutting out the Football League most definitely would come under that. It gets more complicated then still, as promotion and relegation is seen by a lot of people worldwide as central to the club game. It's used as a stick to beat Australia over the head with. To my knowledge FIFA is particularly keen upon it, and any attempts to get rid of it would likely run foul of pretty much everything that's not the Premier League. There's money in the Premier League, but not enough to survive going as a "lone wolf" so to speak. It wouldn't matter if it were Man City involved, it's simply not a realistic concern. The real question is whether the Football League would actually follow through even if they "win" to actually force QPR to the non-leagues over non-payment of a fine. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Except the issue would be a greatly more complicated than that. People talk doomsday theories about the Premier League becoming a closed shop, but the problem for them is that it simply wouldn't work. Forget the damage a lake of promotion and relegation would do to "the brand", the big problem is Europe. The Premier League needs the Champions League and the Europa League. If they run foul with the FA there would be problems, and making the Premier League a closed shop, shutting out the Football League most definitely would come under that. It gets more complicated then still, as promotion and relegation is seen by a lot of people worldwide as central to the club game. It's used as a stick to beat Australia over the head with. To my knowledge FIFA is particularly keen upon it, and any attempts to get rid of it would likely run foul of pretty much everything that's not the Premier League. There's money in the Premier League, but not enough to survive going as a "lone wolf" so to speak. It wouldn't matter if it were Man City involved, it's simply not a realistic concern. The real question is whether the Football League would actually follow through even if they "win" to actually force QPR to the non-leagues over non-payment of a fine. possibly not, but if they win and QPR dint pay then winding up petition. Then its the courts doing it. Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerTedd Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 Doubt it would happen, but theoretically, if they got sent to the conference and then won promotion, could the Football League continue to refuse them entry, from either direction, until they pay the fine anyway? Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 I do actually feel that provided a clubs losses are covered by the owner or owners then they should be able to spend what they want. Where it causes a problem is when a 'loan' is given, just like Bolton, almost all their debt is to their owner but its still a loan, if he turned round tomorrow and said im writing it off then it should be ok for him to do so. this is the bit that gets me confused also. Provision of funds with no legal right to recovery is a gift. Why should that undermine the football industry. All this does is ensure the trophy clubs will never be challenged Link to comment https://dcfcfans.uk/topic/18971-qpr-challenge-ffp-rules-and-begin-legal-proceedings/#findComment-811883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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