Albert Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Yet again it's been put up in lights how little Premier League clubs think of concussions. For those who haven't seen it, this is the response that Oscar had today: http://gfycat.com/IncompleteGrayArachnid . Ignore the football context of the incident, I don't really care if it were a foul, a red card, a tap dancing panda who lives fried icecream. The point is, that is the fencing response. He was knocked out by that collision, he should have come off immediately, that is not a negotiating point, not on any level. If a player is knocked out, it is a suspect concussion or worse, you do not leave anything to chance. The fact that he'd be allowed back onto the pitch for a single second is a sad indictment on the game. It's not like we lack understanding of what such head injuries can do to people, and the risk of receiving a follow up injury. It's getting to the point where massive fines (proportional to the club's wage expenditure) and points deductions need to be considered, as the message has obviously not gotten across as this point. You can have as much "but the regulations say" as you want, when the potential gain of sending them straight back out there is still as high, clubs are simply not doing the right thing on this front. If the risk of second impact syndrome (characterised by death or permanent severe disability) were not enough, the later in life effects, such as chronic traumatic encephalopathy (characterised by depression, dementia, aggression and so forth) should be enough for people to take it more seriously. What's more, is that concussions, even ones where people are "better after a day" still should at the very least require someone to be out for 2 weeks in most cases. Oh well. Let's hope Oscar is fine, but it's just come across as another case of football before the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Football is a business Albert. Roman and Co care as much about their players health as they do about the people they screwed in order to get their wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 Football is a business Albert. Roman and Co care as much about their players health as they do about the people they screwed in order to get their wealth. I just hope it doesn't take a death to force ironclad changes on the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I just hope it doesn't take a death to force ironclad changes on the sport. It normally does unfortunately. Foresight is not something there is abundance of to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 It normally does unfortunately. Foresight is not something there is abundance of to be honest. Considering how well known the risks are right now, it's not foresight at this point. If this is allowed to keep going it is going to become a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Football is a business Albert. Roman and Co care as much about their players health as they do about the people they screwed in order to get their wealth. so is The NFL and worth a fair bit more than the Premiership I think. They have strict concussion regulations.So do rugby union - doctors assess players during a game and say if they are fit to return to action (but temporary replacements are allowed for the injury too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Considering how well known the risks are right now, it's not foresight at this point. If this is allowed to keep going it is going to become a matter of time. Yes, but I think that has been the case in lots of things. Cricket for instance. When that poor lad got killed everyone was shocked. I am more shocked there isn't a death a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 It's a bit like the UK attitude to all the protective gear in the NFL, or NHL - it's actually ridiculed by many.They try to compare it to rugby, call them soft because of it, yet a few months back there was a guy in a rugby game who seemed to get knocked out twice in one game, there was a brief discussion about it but I'm not sure anything was mentioned further (I really have zero interest in rugby, so if there was I didn't see it).There's a reason all the gear is there, but idiots seem to think it's more 'macho' to just continue on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 so is The NFL and worth a fair bit more than the Premiership I think. They have strict concussion regulations.So do rugby union - doctors assess players during a game and say if they are fit to return to action (but temporary replacements are allowed for the injury too)I agree. Same with the NHL. But how long were they allowed to go on before something was finally done about it? I remember Eric Lindros being told if he had one more concussion he could die. Still played a few days later. Insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davenportram Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I agree. Same with the NHL. But how long were they allowed to go on before something was finally done about it? I remember Eric Lindros being told if he had one more concussion he could die. Still played a few days later. Insanity. it makes the FA and FIFA negligent in their inaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posh Ram Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 It's not only the short-term effects of concussion, it's also the long-term mental problems caused. Appalling that the concussion protocol is so poor. Oscar should have been taken straight off. It's not like it couldn't be easily dealt with as well - football isn't a full-contact sport like hockey and NFL, and concussions are rare - but when they do occur, they need to be dealt with properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Surely the woman that came on to Oscar was the club doctor , why did she allow him to continue ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridgeless Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Surely the woman that came on to Oscar was the club doctor , why did she allow him to continue ?.Because there's currently no rule to say he can't continue. If he says he wants to carry on playing, she isn't forced to overrule his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Surely the woman that came on to Oscar was the club doctor , why did she allow him to continue ?.Just answered you own question there mate :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Yes, but I think that has been the case in lots of things. Cricket for instance. When that poor lad got killed everyone was shocked. I am more shocked there isn't a death a week. The thing about Phil Hughes' death was that it was actually a freak accident that was such an unbelievably rare injury that many didn't even consider it a risk. Concussions are well known with well defined risk factors, with the protocols that minimize risk already well known and outlined. The bigger worry is cricket is the lack of protective gear for the chest in the field, particularly for the umpires. That said, the neck guards that have been designed by Masuri look like they could well prevent future occurrences of the injury that Hughes tragically suffered. It's a bit like the UK attitude to all the protective gear in the NFL, or NHL - it's actually ridiculed by many.They try to compare it to rugby, call them soft because of it, yet a few months back there was a guy in a rugby game who seemed to get knocked out twice in one game, there was a brief discussion about it but I'm not sure anything was mentioned further (I really have zero interest in rugby, so if there was I didn't see it).There's a reason all the gear is there, but idiots seem to think it's more 'macho' to just continue on.The gear in the NFL is actually an interesting point. A lot question whether or not it actually makes the situation a whole lot worse, as it allows players to feel more "free" to hammer through eachother. That's a whole different debate though. The stories about CTE (a concussion and head injury related degenerative brain disorder) in American Football are absolutely horrific though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroyDyer Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Having seen American football players in interviews though, it's probably hard to tell if they have a brain injury or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Great ball in by Fabregas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale The Ram Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 theres a discussion to whether the NFL helmets actually worsen the impact as the energy is not distributed away, just reverberated within the helmet. not nice at all.Similar to the whole MMA/Boxing gloves compared to bare knuckle fighting, people believe the boxing and MMA gloves are equally damaging, more so than the bare knuckle due to the reduction of the risk of injuring ones hand when punching.Concussion should be seen more serious, Shottons this season, cut his head, I think he must have been unconscious, allowed to play on, looked out of it. Failed the 'test' twice and was out for a week? surely if he couldn't play the next 2 games he shouldn't have been allowed to play on, simple logic one might say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanRam Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 I got a concussion while playing American Football in High School; thankfully my coach and our trainer knew the exact,correct concussion protocols to help me.Concussions in sport or even if gotten in other ways of course,are not something to mess around with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmberValleyRam1884 Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 Cannot remember the last time I got concussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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