robglosta Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 There is absolutely no indication that Ince could do this in the Premier League, and certainly not in a disrupted and hostile atmosphere like SJP. If I was him, I would choose a move to an ambitious Derby in order to get a full season under his belt and prove he can still perform for the duration of the season - like he did at Blackpool. I doubt any of the top half teams defences will lose any sleep over Ince whatsoever, and I'd wager their fans will expect a more glamorous winger in order to satisfy their sense of deluded entitlement. Do the right thing, Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I would have thought he'd go to newcastle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carra Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I've already had it with SM, and if he were to pinch Ince from us then I well and truly will wish the worst upon his time at Newcastle...However, I do believe that it is simply lazy journalism due to Ince's links with SM. Also, Ince isn't the marquee signings that Newcastle need to 'win this trophy that SM is going to bring to the club'...Ince will do the right thing, his best football will be played in Derby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Then how would you differentiate between the roles played by, say, off the top of my head Teddy Sherringham and Messi for Barca/Faberegas for Spain? It's a totally different role that warrants its own name whatever that might be. I'm not sure about the false 10 that amateur sports journalists tried to invent though. I wouldn't, frankly, because it's just a variation on a theme - and in a year's time, there will be another variation involving a different blade of grass.I don't try to compartmentalise and over-analyse footballers - if you want to, then that's entirely up to you. People waxed lyrical about 'third man theory' in the 1960's, citing the way that West Ham played (especially the influence that Martin Peters had on their success), as though it was a completely new approach and a magical method that would carry everything before it. It just gave people headaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I have been trying to compose something using "to mince" with relevence tothe thread , but have not managed it ,Mind you I am thick , others may have more luck , or brain . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowram Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 It sounds as if we had better break the bank quickly. McClaren is welcome to Leon Best but we will take Ince thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 King Nixon has spoken Newcastle it is then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I wouldn't, frankly, because it's just a variation on a theme - and in a year's time, there will be another variation involving a different blade of grass.I don't try to compartmentalise and over-analyse footballers - if you want to, then that's entirely up to you. People waxed lyrical about 'third man theory' in the 1960's, citing the way that West Ham played (especially the influence that Martin Peters had on their success), as though it was a completely new approach and a magical method that would carry everything before it. It just gave people headaches.I think that was something to do with burgess and maclean with philby in the hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I think that was something to do with burgess and maclean with philby in the hole.Don't you think players just follow the ball ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Don't you think players just follow the ball ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I thought it had been mentioned in here that we had an agreement to sign TI permanently as part of the loan last season. If this is true then Derby bound he is.... ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDeadlySaul Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I thought it had been mentioned in here that we had an agreement to sign TI permanently as part of the loan last season. If this is true then Derby bound he is.... ???Unless Ince wants to go to Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovis aries Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I think that was something to do with burgess and maclean with philby in the hole.That was the ring of five Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eustonstation Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Unless Ince wants to go to Newcastle I'm not conversant with Bosman rules but can a player refuse to go to a club if the two clubs have agreed a transfer? Like a no-trade clause that we see a lot in North American sports? If Hull is legally bound to the transfer because of the clause in the loan agreement, maybe we could buy Ince for one price and flip him to Newcastle at a profit. Hull gets their money (their lesson learned for agreeing to the clause); we get more money to invest; Ince gets the Premier League; Newcastle get the player they apparently want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted McMinn Football Genius Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm not conversant with Bosman rules but can a player refuse to go to a club if the two clubs have agreed a transfer? Like a no-trade clause that we see a lot in North American sports? If Hull is legally bound to the transfer because of the clause in the loan agreement, maybe we could buy Ince for one price and flip him to Newcastle at a profit. Hull gets their money (their lesson learned for agreeing to the clause); we get more money to invest; Ince gets the Premier League; Newcastle get the player they apparently want. I would like to see TI here but...That would be a thing of beauty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eustonstation Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I would like to see TI here but...That would be a thing of beauty!I'm probably missing a big legal thingumijig here but it's worth speculating on. Like you, I'd rather he come to Derby and stay. Not liking Mr McClaren these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm not conversant with Bosman rules but can a player refuse to go to a club if the two clubs have agreed a transfer? Like a no-trade clause that we see a lot in North American sports? If Hull is legally bound to the transfer because of the clause in the loan agreement, maybe we could buy Ince for one price and flip him to Newcastle at a profit. Hull gets their money (their lesson learned for agreeing to the clause); we get more money to invest; Ince gets the Premier League; Newcastle get the player they apparently want. A player can refuse any transfer they want. From memory a transfer going through requires both club's consent, the player's consent, and the FA's consent. As for whether you could treat players like chattel, the answer is thankfully no (in almost all instances to my knowledge). If we did have a clause to sign Ince, and he wanted to go to Newcastle and we wanted to act as some bizarre middle men, he could simply say no to us, then go to Newcastle directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eustonstation Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 A player can refuse any transfer they want. From memory a transfer going through requires both club's consent, the player's consent, and the FA's consent. As for whether you could treat players like chattel, the answer is thankfully no (in almost all instances to my knowledge). If we did have a clause to sign Ince, and he wanted to go to Newcastle and we wanted to act as some bizarre middle men, he could simply say no to us, then go to Newcastle directly.That's a shame... it's a business at the end of the day and the players act as though they're products (unless they really like birthday cake, then they suddenly start crying about their humanity) so I'd have no problem with us being the same if it worked to our advantage.Would be nice for us to screw a Premier League team over rather than the other way around, after Huddlestone, Rasiak, etc.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WharfedaleRam Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 We love and he knows he'd be wanted at Derby. The Mags get, in their eyes, a second rate manager and a relegated, out of favour player, who they probably know as the son of someone they loved to hate in the past. Come of boys and girls, this is a no brainier. Young Mr Ince will be wearing a white shirt in the coming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyRam17 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Surely Ince would pick Newcastle if he got the chance? Premier League football, and familiarity with McClaren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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