Boxing Thread

[CWC1983]

1 hour ago, Alpha said:

Not watched it but the scorecards were wide for Frampton.

Was it that one sided?

More work from Frampton although he got caught a few times with uppercuts that rocked him. Donaire was cut from the 2nd round. 

I must admit I had it level at the halfway stage, but BT gave Frampton all 6. 

You could see Donaire was a class act but at 35 his best days are behind him.   

[Alph]

On 19/04/2018 at 21:45, Norman said:

Yeah, Haye with an early knock out. I am surprised Bellew has taken the fight. We all know he didnt have the power to knock out an off-ballance, one-legged Haye in the first fight. He even lost one round on the scorecard after the injury got really bad. Plus we all know how hard the old Haye could hit. Has his ego got in the way? Or will he look to survive?

Maybe he needs the money for his kids . Neither are likeable, but Bellew is the one I want to see KO'd.

Is it at heavyweight? Haye looks a lot lighter now. Not really taken any of the build-up in or their weights.

I like watching Badou Jack fights. Him and Linares are my favourite non UK boxers. 

People who don't like boxing should watch Linares fight. 

May 12th I think Jorge Linares v Lomachenko. 

Lomachenko is just perfect isn't he? He lives a second in the future.

 

[Curtains]

 Tony Bellew to win for me .

 

Edited April 30, 2018 by curtains
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[tomsdubs]

Haye KO now he's with Salas and he brought Tavares back. He got what he deserved last time with all the trash talk and training on a yacht. Went in with the injury also. Assuming he has no problems this time and actually boxes with a jab he wins in good fashion. He was up on the cards before the injury last time and he was terrible.

[Alph]

Can see Bellew trying to get Haye losing the plot again but you can't tell yet if Haye is biting.

If he isn't and he goes into this taking his time prepared for a 12 rounder I'd say Haye by KO in Rounds 7- 10

If he's biting, feeling the pressure, already has one eye on his promoting career and he forgets that Bellew needs this himself or he will have nowhere to go then I can see Bellew snatching it somehow. 

I'm not sure how this (or the first fight!) has generated as much interest as it has. Take both fighters individually and they're struggling.

Haye... losing to a cruiserweight leaves him laughed at by the heavy division. He's not high enough ranked to force a title shot. He has nothing Joshua needs. He might have the household name to tempt the likes of Dillian Whyte into a fight but I doubt it. He poses a significant threat and has no value. 

Bellew... moved away from the big cruiserweight clashes to fight Haye. He's missed the cruiserweight tournament and now there's some real talent in the division about to unite the belts. Heavyweights are all too big for him. 

These guys need each other. With no where to go and no titles on the line, fighting at a weight that is only "Heavy" by name it a surprise that the hype is there. 

Where does the winner go? If Tyson Fury doesn't give them a payday they'll hang around in their respective divisions for what? Couple of fights? Then retire. 

Haye wins spectacular and he might just get himself back in the mix but time is running out and I don't think his heart is in it

[needles]

Anyone bothering with Haye Bellew tomorrow?

[Alph]

1 hour ago, needles said:

Anyone bothering with Haye Bellew tomorrow?

Deffo. I don't think it's a relevant fight to what they should be doing but it's got to be even more viewable after Bellew upset all the odds in the first fight.

Undercard isn't stacked for a Sky show. 

It's intriguing if not essential

Who you going for?

[needles]

30 minutes ago, Alpha said:

Deffo. I don't think it's a relevant fight to what they should be doing but it's got to be even more viewable after Bellew upset all the odds in the first fight.

Undercard isn't stacked for a Sky show. 

It's intriguing if not essential

Who you going for?

Haye. But I said that first time around.

I look at the two of them at the weigh in and, whatever yarn they're spinning about game plans and all that, Haye just looks so honed compared to Bellew I can't see him losing unless he breaks something.

Intriguing is right, but I don't dislike either man, so I don't care who wins really.

[Bris Vegas]

If Haye's body holds up, he'll cruise to a wide points win.

It may not be spectacular, but I think he's now smart enough to realise this is a must-win fight and he can't afford to be wild, push his body too hard and completely blow out after six rounds.

If he boxes smart, throws in the power punches only when necessary, he has all the tools to beat Bellew quite convincingly. Like 118-110 or something. He was 4-1 up in rounds last time and that was with an injury before completely falling apart.

I'll be amazed if Bellew manages to beat a 'fit' David Haye. Bellew could win, but only if Haye breaks down again. That's his only hope really, banking on Haye's body failing him in the latter rounds.

 

[Bris Vegas]

Incidentally I met Haye's sister and brother-in-law over here as they did an interview with Raul Hirales for his boxing book 'Dog Rounds': (I was the translator). It's a really interesting read, you should check it out.

Anyway they were explaining to me (this was two years ago) that there was no chance of AJ being in a fight with Haye, no matter how much it was 'hyped' at the time as a potential fight (coming after Haye's comeback).

Basically they said it was too risky for AJ. His team didn't want to know at all, as they saw little value and too high of a risk. I'm not quite sure if they still hold the same thoughts now.

Haye's fights with Bellew has just been a really good earner for them both. I wouldn't be surprised to see a third of Haye wins.

Edited May 4, 2018 by Bris Vegas

[Alph]

6 hours ago, needles said:

Haye. But I said that first time around.

I look at the two of them at the weigh in and, whatever yarn they're spinning about game plans and all that, Haye just looks so honed compared to Bellew I can't see him losing unless he breaks something.

Intriguing is right, but I don't dislike either man, so I don't care who wins really.

I think everyone would agree Haye is better in every possible way. 

But when was the last time he was in a real fight? It was 2012 when he fought Chisora and ended it in 5. 

Bellew thinks Haye is 6 round cruiserweight beast and that much is fact. A 12 round heavyweight? 12 fighting rounds? Well that's not been tested since 2011. 

Bellew will do everything he can to get Haye fighting into the second half of the fight. He'll want to keep Haye busy. Hence all the baiting.

Haye should take his time and respect that he's not fought a worthy opponent other than Bellew since 2012. And in that one worthy fight, against a cruiserweight, Haye's body couldn't do 12 rounds. 

If the arrogant knob head can appreciate he's not God's Gift then he could walk Bellew through this and maybe stop him later

[Norman]

Meh, Bellew couldn't finish a one-legged man with no balance.

Haye went to see the Dr who is a specialist in achilles injuries the day before the fight. He couldn't pull out due to bookies, insurance, venue, tickets etc. So he went in there dragging his foot through the ring walk hoping to blast Bellew out.

Except he had no snap in his punches, no balance from his back foot, no defence. And he missed. A lot. 

Not happening this time. Bellew, in my opinion, is the biggest **** I have ever had the misfortune of listening to. 

The look on Bellew and Hearn's faces at the weigh-in when Haye was telling him it is going to be slow and painful sort of brought it home for me.

Bellew is going to get hurt. And I think the penny dropped at the weigh-in.

Not a fan of Haye much either. Watching it in a pub.

[BaaLocks]

OK - I'm going to be the contrary and go for Bellew. Why? Haye is 37 and doesn't have the tank to do the fight he is talking. Bellew is a wag in front of the microphone but in reality has what it takes to go long and hard. He showed that against Cleverly and BJ Flores. Haye doesn't throw enough to convince the judges so Bellew, as the effective 'champion' will just have to see him out and make sure he isn't caught. I just think Haye, good fighter though he was in his day, has been a bit too unlucky with injuries, been a little too long out of the ring (one fight in the last how many years)....

Bellew on points, awful fight - that's my prediction. My only slight caution against it, without retraciting it, is that Haye weighed in a whole stone lighter than the last fight whereas Bellew is only three pounds lighter. If one of them is going to gas it is likely to be the heavier guy.

Edited May 5, 2018 by BaaLocks

[needles]

6 hours ago, BaaLocks said:

OK - I'm going to be the contrary and go for Bellew. Why? Haye is 37 and doesn't have the tank to do the fight he is talking. Bellew is a wag in front of the microphone but in reality has what it takes to go long and hard. He showed that against Cleverly and BJ Flores. Haye doesn't throw enough to convince the judges so Bellew, as the effective 'champion' will just have to see him out and make sure he isn't caught. I just think Haye, good fighter though he was in his day, has been a bit too unlucky with injuries, been a little too long out of the ring (one fight in the last how many years)....

Bellew on points, awful fight - that's my prediction. My only slight caution against it, without retraciting it, is that Haye weighed in a whole stone lighter than the last fight whereas Bellew is only three pounds lighter. If one of them is going to gas it is likely to be the heavier guy.

Bellew's done hard rounds, but at 14st 4lb. Now he's facing a bloke who's 2 stone of muscle heavier than that, a league above Cleverly in class, and who has the potential to bang him out in a split second and who we know he can't really hurt if uninjured.

I don't buy that Haye is past it at this level; so long as he can stay healthy I'll take Haye to stop him late on, with a hedge bet that he catches him early and its over before the froth is off my beer. 

Which is just about what I thought first time around! Interesting scrap in prospect..dunno if I'll be podding out £20 for it though.

[Norman]

8 hours ago, BaaLocks said:

OK - I'm going to be the contrary and go for Bellew. Why? Haye is 37 and doesn't have the tank to do the fight he is talking. Bellew is a wag in front of the microphone but in reality has what it takes to go long and hard. He showed that against Cleverly and BJ Flores. Haye doesn't throw enough to convince the judges so Bellew, as the effective 'champion' will just have to see him out and make sure he isn't caught. I just think Haye, good fighter though he was in his day, has been a bit too unlucky with injuries, been a little too long out of the ring (one fight in the last how many years)....

Bellew on points, awful fight - that's my prediction. My only slight caution against it, without retraciting it, is that Haye weighed in a whole stone lighter than the last fight whereas Bellew is only three pounds lighter. If one of them is going to gas it is likely to be the heavier guy.

Bellew punched himself out in the last fight.

He will be on the run tonight, and I don't blame him.

Haye is lighter, back with his original nutritionist...I can't see him gassing.

If his timing is right, he only needs to throw and land a few big shots each round. I think he will go for the body.

[BaaLocks]

It is a close one, no doubt, which is what makes it intriguing. Was Bellew on his fight plan last time out and just waiting for the later rounds? Was Haye right that even he looks at the first fight and it looks like someone doing a really bad David Haye impression? One thing is for sure, both fighters can take a punch, neither has explosive power so you'd have to say that early knockout is the most unlikely (though far from impossible) result. Therefore, it is going to be who fights the better tactical fight, has the will and stamina to keep going in the later rounds and ultimately want it. Nobody could be confident of calling this but I stick to my earlier claim - Bellew, but not before R10.

[needles]

Soon see.

 

Enjoy, all.

[Norman]

Well, round 5 starting and i got this all wrong ??

[ViewsFromTheMiddle]

Props to Bellew, shame Haye was still injured though.

[StaffsRam]

Guess that's the end of David Haye....

Congrats to TB. Clinical this time.