Players we rated....and then hated

[Guest]

Players we rated when they were with us

Then hated when they left.....or at least started saying that they weren't that good.

In recent times there have been loads you fickle feckers.....

John brayford

Kris commons

Jason shackell

Tomasz cywka

Alberto bueno

Rob hulse

Steve davies

Paul green

.......

And soon you might add....

George thorne

Craig bryson

[Gypsy Ram]

Players we rated when they were with us

Then hated when they left.....or at least started saying that they weren't that good.

In recent times there have been loads you fickle feckers.....

John brayford - I wouldn't begrudge any player a move to the PL

Kris commons

Jason shackell

Tomasz cywka - Average player that we kicked out

Alberto bueno - Was only on loan and tried his best

Rob hulse - Top striker that moved on

Steve davies

Paul green

.......

And soon you might add....

George thorne

Craig bryson

There's no reason to hate those highlighted in bold.

However, from memory, as I recall - Paul Kitson was very well regarded then loathed. Douch.

[Stive Pesley]

Lee Camp?

[trooper]

Didn't realise we hated them.. Forgot to boo

[Hinzy9]

Tyrone Mears...

[Martyn]

Players we rated when they were with us

Then hated when they left.....or at least started saying that they weren't that good.

In recent times there have been loads you fickle feckers.....

John brayford

Kris commons

Jason shackell

Tomasz cywka

Alberto bueno

Rob hulse

Steve davies

Paul green

.......

And soon you might add....

George thorne

Craig bryson

 

I'm not sure Cywka & Bueno were that highly rated (not by me at any rate) but I get what you're saying.

 

I'd agree with adding Camp & Mears, I also feel there's a dislike of Huddlestone in these parts...

[Albert]

Players we rated when they were with us

Then hated when they left.....or at least started saying that they weren't that good.

In recent times there have been loads you fickle feckers.....

John brayford - I'd have him back

Kris commons - Good player, bit inconsistent, getting on a bit

Jason shackell - Good player, part of a promotion winning defence

Tomasz cywka - Flashy, but not that good

Alberto bueno - Had his moments, wasn't worth signing permanently

Rob hulse - Was good, age was getting the best of him though

Steve davies - Injury prone, but a good player on his day

Paul green - Solid, not good enough to retain

.......

And soon you might add....

George thorne

Craig bryson

[CumbrianRam]

John brayford - not the be all and end all some where saying here. Was good for us though and we got a decent fee for the situation but not up to PL football.
Kris commons - will always be greatful after all would have gone down in 2011 if wasn't for his goal in the first half of that season
Jason shackell - did well but was only here for a year
Tomasz cywka - blow hot and cold, nice guy and didn't deserve that Pompey interview
Alberto bueno - liked him, but he seems a much better player now with an impressive season with Rayo
Rob hulse - great for them two season, just wish we got the 4 mill from 'Boro!
Steve davies - good final season but injuries achilles heal.
Paul green - just an average player, never let us down, but wasn't a star
.......
And soon you might add....
George thorne - did well if he doesn't join good luck
Craig bryson - will thank him for his time but he isn't irreplaceable

 

Don't hate any former player, will bar S*****!

[Cisse]

I have been surprised by Brayford's valuation here lately. When he was leaving some people seemed to be crushed and now no one seems to want him back.

[ronnieronalde]

Maybe in a way I'm lucky, I've watched football for 27 years and up until last year I'd NEVER seen the manager of the team I was supporting, sacked.

 

I've never understood why fans hate or disrespect players from their own side.

 

I've never understood why fans hate their own manager.

 

I've never understood the fickle nature of football fans. If you're following a club, it's your job to be loyal to that club and everyone involved in it.

 

I've never understood why people continue to watch something they don't get much pleasure from.

 

I've never understood the idiots, the kids and the stupid, nasty, bitter emotional outbursts and on top of that, I've never understood how 90% of you can't judge a player,  or the impact he has but then get holier than thou about their own knowledge and start slating others.

 

Bryson, ordinary, average??

 

Get a grip, he's been brilliant for us and he'll be brilliant wherever he goes, it's not his fault you can't see it, the runs, the breaking up of the play, the intelligent tidy passing, the never giving the ball way, the link up play. How blind are you to miss all of that and try to tell me I'm wrong for saying he's head and shoulders above average.

 

In fact over the last 18 months, I find the whole forum experience and and general fans mentality shattering.

 

That's just me and of course I have the option of logging out and not having to read the garbage.

 

I've cut down on my time here and I'm looking forward to next season so much more. In fact the only time I stop looking forward to it is when I come on here and read how another one of the club  "loyal servants" is not good enough and probably wasn't even that good in the first place.

[CumbrianRam]

Off seasons on forums are always rubbish, heck look at the Glasgee Rangers thread.

[Duracell]

 

Bryson, ordinary, average??

 

To be fair, I'm really not sure if anyone has said that. Nobody wants to lose Bryson. There's just a scale of how much of a negative thing this potential sale really is. Some think he's irreplaceable, others don't, but I think it's pretty universally acknowledged that he's one of our best players.

[ronnieronalde]

To be fair, I'm really not sure if anyone has said that. Nobody wants to lose Bryson. There's just a scale of how much of a negative thing this potential sale really is. Some think he's irreplaceable, others don't, but I think it's pretty universally acknowledged that he's one of our best players.

 

 

Come on Duracell, read the thread.

 

It's not like I'm making it up. I keep reading over and over again that maybe he's not as good as people make out. Maybe he's peaked and he'll not score as many again.  That we won't even miss him if he goes.

 

Or am I imagining those posts?

 

This is not someone who's played a few games for us and came into the team when we were flying, This is a lad who has been absolutely vital to everything we've done well for 3 years.

[Duracell]

Come on Duracell, read the thread.

 

It's not like I'm making it up. I keep reading over and over again that maybe he's not as good as people make out. Maybe he's peaked and he'll not score as many again.  That we won't even miss him if he goes.

 

Or am I imagining those posts?

 

This is not someone who's played a few games for us and came into the team when we were flying, This is a lad who has been absolutely vital to everything we've done well for 3 years.

I've read the thread, Saying those things isn't quite the same thing as saying he's average. It's just fans trying to remain optimistic about losing a key player, I don't think it smacks of outrageous disloyalty.

 

I think everyone knows that we will miss him, but players come and go. If we never ever lost a player we'd later miss then we'd have won every single competition in the 1970s, would have qualified for Europe at the very least in the late 1990s and probably could have returned to the Prem since our last relegation.

 

Bryson has been vital to everything we've done in the past few seasons, yes. But what Clough did and what Mac has continued is to build a team. Losing Commons was far, far more disastrous at the time than losing Bryson would be now. He is a valuable player but he's not indispensable, and I don't think it's blasphemy to say that.

 

Everybody rates Craig Bryson, he's one of only three players to win the Jack Stamps Trophy twice. I don't see what's so unhealthy about evaluating whether it's actually the end of the world if he goes though? I have come to the conclusion that it wouldn't be and I won't let it ruin my summer or kill any of my excitement for the new season.

[Stripperg-ram]

Giles Barnes.....??

[IlsonDerby]

Come on Duracell, read the thread.

 

It's not like I'm making it up. I keep reading over and over again that maybe he's not as good as people make out. Maybe he's peaked and he'll not score as many again.  That we won't even miss him if he goes.

 

Or am I imagining those posts?

 

This is not someone who's played a few games for us and came into the team when we were flying, This is a lad who has been absolutely vital to everything we've done well for 3 years.

 

I'll admit I've asked those sorts of questions regarding Bryson but in doing so I was playing devil's advocate rather than expressing my opinion on him. 

 

What I would say is that in my opinion, he has the system Mac has played us in to thank for his career-best season (up until now). He's got energy but for him to get into the positions he scores goals from he would have to be Flash to make it from defence to attack that quickly. Which is why the holding midfielder frees him up to make such runs and which is why he didn't bang 16 in whilst playing in a 4-4-2. If he didn't bang them in for us in a 4-4-2 position then I don't feel it's harsh to suggest he wouldn't bang them in for Burnley should he go there as that is the system they play. 

 

I don't feel like I'm criticising him for saying the above, just making an observation from how I see it. I think most people will be gutted if he was to leave but I think suggesting we could carry on without him isn't out of the ordinary, we certainly can't act as if a good season is impossible due to losing one cog, albeit an important one. 

[-JW-]

Pretty much everyone who has left us tbh.

[Martyn]

What I would say is that in my opinion, he has the system Mac has played us in to thank for his career-best season (up until now). He's got energy but for him to get into the positions he scores goals from he would have to be Flash to make it from defence to attack that quickly. Which is why the holding midfielder frees him up to make such runs and which is why he didn't bang 16 in whilst playing in a 4-4-2. If he didn't bang them in for us in a 4-4-2 position then I don't feel it's harsh to suggest he wouldn't bang them in for Burnley should he go there as that is the system they play. 

 

I don't feel like I'm criticising him for saying the above, just making an observation from how I see it. I think most people will be gutted if he was to leave but I think suggesting we could carry on without him isn't out of the ordinary, we certainly can't act as if a good season is impossible due to losing one cog, albeit an important one. 

 

I think you're absolutely spot on with that.  With the additional observation that it is exactly this (the system) that is why Martin was so successful this season.

 

And to restate what I've said previously, this it what makes both of them so important to us; the system gets the best out of them; they get the best out of our system.

 

It's a little less clear-cut with Bryson than with Martin, as the Hughes + Hendrick + Thorne/Eustace combo also works very well, whereas without Martin we have no-one who can play that role like him.

[R@M]

Can't really say I hate any players. If you have played any sport, the epitome of good will is having a drink, maybe some banter with the opposing team....win lose or draw. These guys all gave their all on the pitch (admittedly, some players all was more than others) and when a time to move on it usually benefitted both parties.

John brayford. - who could begrudge him a shot at the PL

Kris commons - we all knew he liked free transfers

Jason shackell - I dislike him due to the hand he had in SD leaving

Tomasz cywka - wasn't good enough

Alberto bueno - I thought he was potentially too good for us....only on loan

Rob hulse - sold at the right time

Steve davies - personal issues that were insurmountable.

Paul green - offered huge money to go to Leeds. We didn't suffer and actually improved due to giving game time to our emerging players.

.......

And soon you might add....

George thorne - is A Ram already, after a handful of matches.

Craig bryson

[Guest]

Maybe in a way I'm lucky, I've watched football for 27 years and up until last year I'd NEVER seen the manager of the team I was supporting, sacked.

I've never understood why fans hate or disrespect players from their own side.

I've never understood why fans hate their own manager.

I've never understood the fickle nature of football fans. If you're following a club, it's your job to be loyal to that club and everyone involved in it.

I've never understood why people continue to watch something they don't get much pleasure from.

I've never understood the idiots, the kids and the stupid, nasty, bitter emotional outbursts and on top of that, I've never understood how 90% of you can't judge a player, or the impact he has but then get holier than thou about their own knowledge and start slating others.

Bryson, ordinary, average??

Get a grip, he's been brilliant for us and he'll be brilliant wherever he goes, it's not his fault you can't see it, the runs, the breaking up of the play, the intelligent tidy passing, the never giving the ball way, the link up play. How blind are you to miss all of that and try to tell me I'm wrong for saying he's head and shoulders above average.

In fact over the last 18 months, I find the whole forum experience and and general fans mentality shattering.

That's just me and of course I have the option of logging out and not having to read the garbage.

I've cut down on my time here and I'm looking forward to next season so much more. In fact the only time I stop looking forward to it is when I come on here and read how another one of the club "loyal servants" is not good enough and probably wasn't even that good in the first place.

Daft question im sure, but who have you supported during them 27 years if you havent seen a manager sacked before?