pej1956 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm pleased McClaren has stuck with the bulk of Clough's players. True, he's limited in what he can chop and change, but it would've been easy to drop certain players for swish premier loans. I always felt the team Clough assembled had it in them to be top 6 material, but the manager himself plainly struggled at get them performing consistently. I'm still a little worried at the type of players McClaren will bring in long-term - if Forest is anything to go buy, he likes to buy expensive out-of-favour sorts from the Premier League rather than mining the lower leagues for quality. I personally feel the latter is the better approach for long-term success. I also think bringing in Paul Simpson alongside him was a classy move (regardless of who made that decision). January will be very interesting. Grant still looked very very shaky on crosses on Saturday. Keogh's distribution was very poor. At least I am interested in January now. I would like Mac to spread his net wider than we've been used to for the past 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 No mate they are loans . Hence me differentiating between brought & bought... You're right he hasn't BOUGHT anybody as yet but the three players he BROUGHT in have gelled quickly and added to the squad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Already answered for me by Ramsbottom. I'm sure we will be contributing to their wages, and no one knows if the owners would have backed Nige with the money, so I'm not speculating. It's not a point scoring exercise. I think McClaren is doing well, with a slightly better team, but relatively he's outperforming Nige.I'm not trying to score any points mate.People kept saying Clough did not have this and had to do that first, but he was NEVER fully restricted, he always bought players in , on loan or otherwise, trouble is, most of them were crap.Whether by good fortune or expertise (the later I think )McC's are pretty decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asanovic Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm not trying to score any points mate. People kept saying Clough did not have this and had to do that first, but he was NEVER fully restricted, he always bought players in , on loan or otherwise, trouble is, most of the were crap. Whether by good fortune or expertise (the later I think )McC's are pretty decent. Last I'll say on this as too many threads at the moment are turning in to McClaren vs Clough debates. Not sure what 'fully' restricted means - he was always heavily tied down financially, and often had to ship one to bring one in (lots of others are in that boat to varying degrees so it's not a sob story). Saying that most of his signings were crap indicates you either don't go to the games or have a irrational downer on everything he did, I won't speculate as to which. I agree, McClaren's signings look good and we're a better footballing team for those signings, and for him being here too. I was simply saying no one knows whether those players would have been available to Clough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm not trying to score any points mate. People kept saying Clough did not have this and had to do that first, but he was NEVER fully restricted, he always bought players in , on loan or otherwise, trouble is, most of them were crap. Whether by good fortune or expertise (the later I think )McC's are pretty decent. Just out of interest can you list the (in your opinion) crap ones??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Just out of interest can you list the (in your opinion) crap ones???None mate, they were all great, can not understand why we went nowhere for five years, must have been pure unadulterated bad luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 None mate, they were all great, can not understand why we went nowhere for five years, must have been pure unadulterated bad luck. Now, now mate. There's no need to be like that mate. I was merely trying to establish who out of Nigel's signings, in your mind, were below average? I thought with being such a good mate you'd help a mate out and enlighten them with your opinion... ... mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Now, now mate. There's no need to be like that mate. I was merely trying to establish who out of Nigel's signings, in your mind, were below average? I thought with being such a good mate you'd help a mate out and enlighten them with your opinion... ... mateCondescending *****Anyway if you like, and no further discussion after. is a list of great players ,off the top of my head, for one reason or another, signed by NCDave MartinCroftMaguireHendrieO'ConnorTysonPringleDeeneyLivermoreStoorBryan HughesVidalHuntDoyleMooreNobleBouldingDukeAbalimaEnjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Condescending ***** Anyway if you like, and no further discussion after. is a list of great players ,off the top of my head, for one reason or another, signed by NCBoulding Enjoy. Christ that list is scary. I can recall the internet going into meltdown when we signed Boulding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich3478 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Christ that list is scary. I can recall the internet going into meltdown when we signed Boulding Did he ever play? I can't remember him playing! Sunu was particularly gash as well, did we sign noble twice and never play him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich3478 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Dave Martin was a strange one, signed him and instantly stopped playing wingers! He plays in the conference now for Luton so can't have been up to much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramexpat Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Condescending ***** Anyway if you like, and no further discussion after. is a list of great players ,off the top of my head, for one reason or another, signed by NC Dave Martin Croft Maguire Hendrie O'Connor Tyson Pringle Deeney Livermore Stoor Bryan Hughes Vidal Hunt Doyle Moore Noble Boulding Duke Abalima Enjoy. although he was a loan , Kilbane should be on that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Did he ever play? I can't remember him playing! Sunu was particularly gash as well, did we sign noble twice and never play him? Can't recall tbh mate. I've just had to google who Bryan Hughes was hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramshankered Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Condescending ***** Anyway if you like, and no further discussion after. is a list of great players ,off the top of my head, for one reason or another, signed by NC Dave Martin Croft Maguire Hendrie O'Connor Tyson Pringle Deeney Livermore Stoor Bryan Hughes Vidal Hunt Doyle Moore Noble Boulding Duke Abalima Enjoy. I may get crucified for this, but I would argue Croft, Moore and Pringle all made positive contributions at one time or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Condescending ***** Anyway if you like, and no further discussion after. is a list of great players ,off the top of my head, for one reason or another, signed by NC Dave Martin Croft Maguire Hendrie O'Connor Tyson Pringle Deeney Livermore Stoor Bryan Hughes Vidal Hunt Doyle Moore Noble Boulding Duke Abalima Enjoy. Come on Smiffy, no need for that! We're all mates here... Admittedly that is a pretty poor list. Bit harsh on Dave Martin as he never got a fair crack at the whip due to change of tactics. Balancing that out with a list of good signings - Bryson Fielding Legolas Shackell Keogh Buxton Brayford Bailey B Davies Bueno Russell Ward Roberts Martin If you look at any manager's signings, their recruitment success rate is no better than 60%, especially in this day & age of big squads. And no, before you say it, I'm not a Clough apologist. I belive he did the job that was required of him but certain limitations were keeping us from progressing to the next level. For the sake of staying on topic, at the moment I am certainly pro Schteve... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Come on Smiffy, no need for that! We're all mates here... Admittedly that is a pretty poor list. Bit harsh on Dave Martin as he never got a fair crack at the whip due to change of tactics. Balancing that out with a list of good signings - Bryson Fielding Legolas Shackell Keogh Buxton Brayford Bailey B Davies Bueno Russell Ward Roberts Martin If you look at any manager's signings, their recruitment success rate is no better than 60%, especially in this day & age of big squads. And no, before you say it, I'm not a Clough apologist. I belive he did the job that was required of him but certain limitations were keeping us from progressing to the next level. For the sake of staying on topic, at the moment I am certainly pro Schteve... Before I get crucified, yes i forgot Barker... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladyram Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Now now boys, play nice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiffy Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Don't forget Tongue, nowt wrong with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich3478 Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Can't recall tbh mate. I've just had to google who Bryan Hughes was hahaha I can remember him playing, thought he was half decent a few years earlier at Birmingham. Didn't do much for us though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rezner Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I just want to hear Jim White say on deadline day. "now,we're off to the IPro with news of a shock signing" Always been a bit dull lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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