duncanjwitham Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 To me, it just looked like the change of formation didn't suit him. When he played alongside Savage at the base of a 4231 he was fine, Savage did the running and Bailey was free to just pick up the ball and spray it around. But in a 442, he doesn't do enough defensively or offer enough in terms of supporting the forwards, so you're stuck with either having to play a defensive player alongside him (and not getting anybody running past the frontline), or you play an attacking player with him and get exposed at the back. If we're going with a 433 now, then he's potentially useful - he's probably a better passer than anyone at the club, bar maybe Hughes. But Hendrick is still a very good passer plus he's stronger, scores goals and can run with the ball. And Eustace is also a decent passer, plus he's stronger, a better tackler and reads the game much better defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilks Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Clough wanted to move him one for one reason. He's not good enough. Plain and simple. He hardly pulled up any trees while on loan to a Division One club so why should he be good enough to play in a higher league. Why the constant love in for such a mediocre player is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North_Stand_Ram Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I heard he rejected a move to Wigan and Clough fell out with him for it. Probably all lies, but that's what I was told Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I heard he rejected a move to Wigan and Clough fell out with him for it. Probably all lies, but that's what I was told As in all cases of players falling out of favour with managers its more than likely several reasons not just one. Yours may well be on the list! injury Jeff's emergence Turning down a move Turning orange.... its all in the past now, hope he's fit, ready and makes a contribution to our promotion push.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Clough wanted to move him one for one reason. He's not good enough. Plain and simple. He hardly pulled up any trees while on loan to a Division One club so why should he be good enough to play in a higher league. Why the constant love in for such a mediocre player is beyond me. I used to wonder why the constant love for a mediocre (being kind) manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott129 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I like Bailey. Decent enough player and he seems like a nice guy who's just having some fun. Can't blame him for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 seems to me that rather than use any form of man-management, communication or general people skills to bring people back into line for even the most trivial of things, it was easier to bomb out potentially good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JW- Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I never rated him but McClaren will treat him better than Clough did and he might turn out alright. I doubt it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 he's quite cute but he's a really **** football sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I'm not being funny but can certain posters desist from making tedious points about the previous management in various threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I never understood remove squad numbers or removing players from training with the first team unless they'd done something to tarnish the image of the club or made it clear they didn't want to be here. If you want a player to move on I'm not sure ostracising them is going to get you the best money for the player. He now has a squad number and maybe he'll get back in and around the first team or maybe he won't. We will see. I always rated him and I'm sure some of the people calling him poor or mediocre probably held him up as a good signing when he was here for the first few seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Clough wanted to move him one for one reason. He's not good enough. Plain and simple. He hardly pulled up any trees while on loan to a Division One club so why should he be good enough to play in a higher league. Why the constant love in for such a mediocre player is beyond me. Hardly a love in. I'm not saying he should be a starter when everyone's fit but how many seasons have people moaned about our lack of depth yet we have a perfectly good player at this level rotting away when he can keep us ticking over whilst better players are injured??? If he doesn't want to warm the bench then fair enough, ship him out. But if he's willing to pull his sleeves up and put a shift in I'd rather have him than this Cisse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I'm not being funny but can certain posters desist from making tedious points about the previous management in various threads. I'm not being funny, but I think certain posters should comment on the topics in hand, such as Derby County, (this includes players past and present, management past and present, fans, games, stadia and many other things!) instead of trying to censor the people who are entitled to express their views (as long as said views are within the rules of the forum!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I used to get as annoyed as the next man when Mostyn was Clough-bashing, but in this instance it is actually relevant to the thread. And Clough's not our manager any more, so we're all OK to start questioning his successes/failures in hindsight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JW- Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Neither of you are funny tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsilks Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Hardly a love in. I'm not saying he should be a starter when everyone's fit but how many seasons have people moaned about our lack of depth yet we have a perfectly good player at this level rotting away when he can keep us ticking over whilst better players are injured??? If he doesn't want to warm the bench then fair enough, ship him out. But if he's willing to pull his sleeves up and put a shift in I'd rather have him than this Cisse... Why? Has he proven himself to be better than Cisse? Why is Bailey a perfectly good player at this level? If that were the case then Clough wouldn't have been willing to let him go. Bailey on the available list yet how many clubs have come in for him? If he were as good as you seem to be making out then surely one championship club might have taken him off our hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Why is Bailey a perfectly good player at this level? If that were the case then Clough wouldn't have been willing to let him go. Cywka, Shackell.. Theo? More than can really be mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Why? Has he proven himself to be better than Cisse? Why is Bailey a perfectly good player at this level? If that were the case then Clough wouldn't have been willing to let him go. Bailey on the available list yet how many clubs have come in for him? If he were as good as you seem to be making out then surely one championship club might have taken him off our hands. I've seen a lot more of Bailey in the past and can only vaguely remember seeing Cisse a couple of times. It's alright for Bailey not to pull up any trees in League 1 but Cisse had his contract cancelled by an MLS team, and not a particularly good one at that. Considering a number of contributing factors can affect the respective players form (club, fellow squad members, tactics, formation) so we should be judging them on their performances at the level we currently occupy in the league pyramid, The Championship. And going by that Bailey has been and can be a good player. From what my hazy memory can remember Nigel stated that Bailey had done nothing wrong to find himself out the side and it was down to Hendricks form. Considering that many believe (myself included bar a couple of exceptions) Nigel's judgement of player ability is pretty sound, so I'd say he's considered a decent player by at least one recent Skybet Championship manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I'm not being funny but can certain posters desist from making tedious points about the previous management in various threads. People also unwilling to accept that everyone gets a clean slate under a new manger, Bailey might prosper under SMc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianRam Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Cywka, Shackell.. Theo? More than can really be mentioned. Moxey, Tyson, Varney etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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