VulcanRam

I don't think I've ever despised or hated anyone, let alone a football player that's represented my club as part of his job. 

I don't think I've ever despised or hated anyone, let alone a football player that's represented my club as part of his job. 

I haven't watched anything other than the highlights this season. I agree with your first para, and hope that you are the money with your second. COYR!!

I just find this such a revisionist view, and one that only really started to be voiced when it became apparent McGoldrick was leaving.  That's not to say there weren't  some people having such thoughts, but it wasn't a widespread view.
Prior to that it was all about who we could get to complement him and take the workload off, nothing about us not sharing the play around as a tactic, or because of his presence.
The only reason our system 'revolved' around him was because he was the only one up there with the skill to get hold of the ball and make something happen - It wasn't an intentional ploy to make him central to everything, it's just that if we played the ball up to anyone else it would be wasted or come bouncing back.
Mendes-Laing was knackered and became ineffective (still saw loads of the ball), Barkhuizen jaded from finding himself mostly out of the team, Collins was never in the right place (more interested in hugging defenders), Dobbin again saw a lot of the ball, had plenty of chances but was massively wasteful in front of goal, Sibley was shifted around, Knight usually deployed at RB/RWB, White lightweight and ineffective. We didn't really have anyone in the squad capable of running in behind a defence once Osula left.
Removing McGoldrick from the team would have solved none of those issues. Having him in the team didn't see others starved of the ball, if anything it was the opposite - he'd win it back himself and bring others into play, without him it was pinball. His presence didn't force Collins to stand in the wrong place whenever we crossed the ball in.
It's all just seems very convenient, and strikes me more as a phrase I saw someone use the other day - copium.
Putting that aside...
We may well be that we end up a more balanced team this season, but we're nowhere near achieving that yet. Where is this extra variety? The only thing we've really added to the team in an attacking sense is the wingbacks, and they're really just doing the same job NML was doing last season (just from both sides now), and maybe some extra pressing from Washington.
The other players we've been properly linked with in attack (other than Ladapo but it doesn't seem likely we get him) have all been fox-in-the-box types, upgrades on Collins - there's no added variety there, and we no longer have anyone in the squad who'll drop deep and offer the extra element of control McGoldrick did.

In other words, you can't. There are so many holes and presumptions in your various theories about this and the Knight deal that you have presented as fact when you've got no more idea than anyone else. So I guess everyone else's are just as valid as yours. Trying to sneer your way out of it doesn't really help.

Or even why we're talking about in the Knight thread?

I am, often.

All for it until @angieram spoiled the party!!

He's not dropping out of anywhere, he was released by Hull so didn't have a club! 
Looks a solid signing though. 

In fairness that goes for every single non-elite wide player in the history of football. Even the most elite attacking players struggle with consistency. 

I got something similar, although he commented today that Rodrigues could well improve playing in a better team. There's no way i'm not going to get excited signing the 'nutmeg king of Europe' though 😂

I think, broadly, we're about here with it all? (*edit: views taken from 165 pages of the thread!)
 
PROS: Great pedigree in getting promotion from league 1;
inherited a team that wasn't his and not necessarily suited to what he wants and got them to within a whisker of the play offs;
has got a tune out of an old players/young players/players who haven't had this much football/running in a game for a long time;
had a long unbeaten run which got us into the top 6;
popular at the club and in the dressing room;
comes across well with good honesty and ethos
 
CONS: Failed on the last day when a play off place was in our hands;
terrible run of form in February and March;
boring/dire/no brand of football that doesn't best suit his players;
tactically unable to respond to opposition changes, particularly in second halves of games;
too late or ineffective with substitutions/wrong substitutions;
unnecessary team changes, especially with players on form
 
So surely those who are pro Warne can see some areas he can improve on, while those anti-Warne can see there is plenty to praise him for. No need for polarised viewpoints.
There. Now we can all get along. 🐏
 
 
 

I think, broadly, we're about here with it all? (*edit: views taken from 165 pages of the thread!)
 
PROS: Great pedigree in getting promotion from league 1;
inherited a team that wasn't his and not necessarily suited to what he wants and got them to within a whisker of the play offs;
has got a tune out of an old players/young players/players who haven't had this much football/running in a game for a long time;
had a long unbeaten run which got us into the top 6;
popular at the club and in the dressing room;
comes across well with good honesty and ethos
 
CONS: Failed on the last day when a play off place was in our hands;
terrible run of form in February and March;
boring/dire/no brand of football that doesn't best suit his players;
tactically unable to respond to opposition changes, particularly in second halves of games;
too late or ineffective with substitutions/wrong substitutions;
unnecessary team changes, especially with players on form
 
So surely those who are pro Warne can see some areas he can improve on, while those anti-Warne can see there is plenty to praise him for. No need for polarised viewpoints.
There. Now we can all get along. 🐏
 
 
 

I think, broadly, we're about here with it all? (*edit: views taken from 165 pages of the thread!)
 
PROS: Great pedigree in getting promotion from league 1;
inherited a team that wasn't his and not necessarily suited to what he wants and got them to within a whisker of the play offs;
has got a tune out of an old players/young players/players who haven't had this much football/running in a game for a long time;
had a long unbeaten run which got us into the top 6;
popular at the club and in the dressing room;
comes across well with good honesty and ethos
 
CONS: Failed on the last day when a play off place was in our hands;
terrible run of form in February and March;
boring/dire/no brand of football that doesn't best suit his players;
tactically unable to respond to opposition changes, particularly in second halves of games;
too late or ineffective with substitutions/wrong substitutions;
unnecessary team changes, especially with players on form
 
So surely those who are pro Warne can see some areas he can improve on, while those anti-Warne can see there is plenty to praise him for. No need for polarised viewpoints.
There. Now we can all get along. 🐏
 
 
 

I think, broadly, we're about here with it all? (*edit: views taken from 165 pages of the thread!)
 
PROS: Great pedigree in getting promotion from league 1;
inherited a team that wasn't his and not necessarily suited to what he wants and got them to within a whisker of the play offs;
has got a tune out of an old players/young players/players who haven't had this much football/running in a game for a long time;
had a long unbeaten run which got us into the top 6;
popular at the club and in the dressing room;
comes across well with good honesty and ethos
 
CONS: Failed on the last day when a play off place was in our hands;
terrible run of form in February and March;
boring/dire/no brand of football that doesn't best suit his players;
tactically unable to respond to opposition changes, particularly in second halves of games;
too late or ineffective with substitutions/wrong substitutions;
unnecessary team changes, especially with players on form
 
So surely those who are pro Warne can see some areas he can improve on, while those anti-Warne can see there is plenty to praise him for. No need for polarised viewpoints.
There. Now we can all get along. 🐏
 
 
 

I think, broadly, we're about here with it all? (*edit: views taken from 165 pages of the thread!)
 
PROS: Great pedigree in getting promotion from league 1;
inherited a team that wasn't his and not necessarily suited to what he wants and got them to within a whisker of the play offs;
has got a tune out of an old players/young players/players who haven't had this much football/running in a game for a long time;
had a long unbeaten run which got us into the top 6;
popular at the club and in the dressing room;
comes across well with good honesty and ethos
 
CONS: Failed on the last day when a play off place was in our hands;
terrible run of form in February and March;
boring/dire/no brand of football that doesn't best suit his players;
tactically unable to respond to opposition changes, particularly in second halves of games;
too late or ineffective with substitutions/wrong substitutions;
unnecessary team changes, especially with players on form
 
So surely those who are pro Warne can see some areas he can improve on, while those anti-Warne can see there is plenty to praise him for. No need for polarised viewpoints.
There. Now we can all get along. 🐏
 
 
 

1Wildsmith 8
3Forsyth 7
33Davies 4.5
6Cashin 9
38Knight 6
White 4
8Bird 5
Dobbin 6
4Hourihane 8
Collins 7
15Roberts 6
11Mendez-Laing 5
Barkhuizen 6
17Sibley 5.5
Smith 6
10McGoldrick 6

I think, broadly, we're about here with it all? (*edit: views taken from 165 pages of the thread!)
 
PROS: Great pedigree in getting promotion from league 1;
inherited a team that wasn't his and not necessarily suited to what he wants and got them to within a whisker of the play offs;
has got a tune out of an old players/young players/players who haven't had this much football/running in a game for a long time;
had a long unbeaten run which got us into the top 6;
popular at the club and in the dressing room;
comes across well with good honesty and ethos
 
CONS: Failed on the last day when a play off place was in our hands;
terrible run of form in February and March;
boring/dire/no brand of football that doesn't best suit his players;
tactically unable to respond to opposition changes, particularly in second halves of games;
too late or ineffective with substitutions/wrong substitutions;
unnecessary team changes, especially with players on form
 
So surely those who are pro Warne can see some areas he can improve on, while those anti-Warne can see there is plenty to praise him for. No need for polarised viewpoints.
There. Now we can all get along. 🐏
 
 
 

I think, broadly, we're about here with it all? (*edit: views taken from 165 pages of the thread!)
 
PROS: Great pedigree in getting promotion from league 1;
inherited a team that wasn't his and not necessarily suited to what he wants and got them to within a whisker of the play offs;
has got a tune out of an old players/young players/players who haven't had this much football/running in a game for a long time;
had a long unbeaten run which got us into the top 6;
popular at the club and in the dressing room;
comes across well with good honesty and ethos
 
CONS: Failed on the last day when a play off place was in our hands;
terrible run of form in February and March;
boring/dire/no brand of football that doesn't best suit his players;
tactically unable to respond to opposition changes, particularly in second halves of games;
too late or ineffective with substitutions/wrong substitutions;
unnecessary team changes, especially with players on form
 
So surely those who are pro Warne can see some areas he can improve on, while those anti-Warne can see there is plenty to praise him for. No need for polarised viewpoints.
There. Now we can all get along. 🐏
 
 
 

I think, broadly, we're about here with it all? (*edit: views taken from 165 pages of the thread!)
 
PROS: Great pedigree in getting promotion from league 1;
inherited a team that wasn't his and not necessarily suited to what he wants and got them to within a whisker of the play offs;
has got a tune out of an old players/young players/players who haven't had this much football/running in a game for a long time;
had a long unbeaten run which got us into the top 6;
popular at the club and in the dressing room;
comes across well with good honesty and ethos
 
CONS: Failed on the last day when a play off place was in our hands;
terrible run of form in February and March;
boring/dire/no brand of football that doesn't best suit his players;
tactically unable to respond to opposition changes, particularly in second halves of games;
too late or ineffective with substitutions/wrong substitutions;
unnecessary team changes, especially with players on form
 
So surely those who are pro Warne can see some areas he can improve on, while those anti-Warne can see there is plenty to praise him for. No need for polarised viewpoints.
There. Now we can all get along. 🐏
 
 
 

The debate is running along the same lines as the protagonists whom believe that the EFL have instructed all referees to give contentious decisions against us etc which to be fair has died down a huge amount save the usual hardcore of posters whom won't be swayed by reason or fact.
Which is pretty much where we are with the Paul Warne debate, the anti Warne brigade has now become whittled down to a hardcore of posters whom regardless of reason or fact or logic still cling onto their mantra.
To answer your question what do they get out of this? Would be fairer to ask them.

Your wife's priorities for you change more like. 

Brilliant player, brilliant bloke, made a mistake today but who doesn’t? Always be an important part of Derby’s history and I hope this isn’t the last we see of him.

I did think it was a foul. Curtis pulled him back and preventing him from shooting. I wish he hadn't been sent off but I'd have been screaming for a red if it had happened to us 

Warne didn’t help by taking off Hourihane and Knight and bringing White on. 
So for that vital free kick on 91 minutes, instead of Hourihane’s wand of a left foot, we have White kicking it directly out of play. 
Unforgivable. And not just that, in our hour of need Warne dispensed with the player with the most assists and replaced him with someone else’s player.