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    IslandExile got a reaction from Carl Sagan in WHY   
    Please tell us what you would have done differently in his position.
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    IslandExile got a reaction from I know nothing in WHY   
    Yes, I have said on the parallel thread, I think the biggest mistake he made was appointing managers who had different styles of play, requiring different types of player. The result is a poor squad now and issues with overspending.
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    IslandExile got a reaction from Ken Tram in WHY   
    Please tell us what you would have done differently in his position.
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    IslandExile reacted to Brammie Steve in Limerick Day   
    A manager called Brian Clough
    Was known in the game as a tough
    He shot from the hip
    Destroyed with his lip
    But you just took the smooth with the rough!
     
    He worked with the great Peter Taylor
    Alone you might think him a failure
    But the two of them stand
    On a plinth tall and grand
    At Pride Park, known as 'Cloughie and Taylor!'
     
     
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    IslandExile reacted to The Scarlet Pimpernel in WHY   
    I understand your view but don't forget @dmin that clears debt means lots of little businesses in Derby, people's lively hoods are lost. Its not a nice process. 
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    IslandExile reacted to loweman2 in The Old Guard   
    Not added to this thread for a long time but had the pleasure today of meeting up with one of the last legends on the list, Mr David Nish round at his house, took the old man along and had a great chat with “Nishy”about the great days of the 70s, no side to him at all, in fact he spoke more about his love of his allotment than football, he still follows the Rams and like the rest of us is sad to see what is happening, he was a great servant to the club joining straight after the first championship season, went on to play for England and was part of that legendary defence with McFarland and Todd, was our highest transfer fee as well at that time, classy defender who always had time on the ball, was also one of the British mafia who took over the NASL, it was great to see my old man reliving those special memories with him !





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    IslandExile reacted to sage in Limerick Day   
    There was a young man called Tom
    Who drove his captain back hom
    But after those beers
    It ended in tears
    And the sacking cost us a bomb
     
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    IslandExile reacted to CornwallRam in WHY   
    Because Mel has attempted to make Derby County successful at a time when FFP/P&S and parachute payments combine to make it incredibly difficult to achieve promotion. The reality of this division means that it drains the finances of ambitious clubs who get stuck in it.
    Mel selected a strategy that he thought would work and went for it. I, and others,  have always been critical of that strategy, but that neither means I was right nor Mel was wrong. My ideas were never tested and Mels were within a whisker of working.
    The problem now is that too many seasons in this division have drained Mel and the club and our attempts to overcome the ridiculous handicap of FFP have caught up with us, as they would have with Norwich, Leeds, Leicester, Watford and Wolves if they hadn't been promoted.
    Let's not be too hard on Mel. He tried, he failed and now walks away 10s or maybe 100s of millions poorer. I believe that the same would have happened with any other owner had they failed to get promoted...and promotion requires lots of luck or parachute payments.
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    IslandExile reacted to B4ev6is in WHY   
    Well I think mel meant well and tried his best to get back to were we belong but it came clear to me last season that maybe he took as far as he could and need fresh pair of eyes what to do next.
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    IslandExile got a reaction from Andicis in WHY   
    Yes, I have said on the parallel thread, I think the biggest mistake he made was appointing managers who had different styles of play, requiring different types of player. The result is a poor squad now and issues with overspending.
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    IslandExile reacted to Van der MoodHoover in WHY   
    It's all hypothetical and hence an easy cop out to say what "would" have been right. 
    I'm struggling to think of any decision that was convincingly argued against at the time by the majority. 
    Maybe piling into the dressing room under Clement comes closest. 
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    IslandExile got a reaction from angieram in Was it really so bad to spend and try and get to Prem .   
    Mel gets stick for overspending.
    Other club owners get stick for not backing their managers and not splashing the cash.
    To me, Mel's mistakes have been the managerial appointments.
    Managers with different styles of play meant that each new manager went to recruit different types of player. That resulted in a hotch pot of a squad.
    It needed a clear out, a reset and a long term plan to rebuild the club.
    I had hoped that we would have that under Cocu. That's why I backed him so heavily.
    The more aged and expensive players left as their contracts expired. Unfortunately, however, by then a lack of money and transfer embargoes inhibited replacing them.
    Without reopening the debate again, it didn't work out this season on the pitch and Cocu left.
    But whether we get new owners or not, whether Rooney stays as manager or we go for someone else..... We still need that rebuild process to be completed. Hopefully with a mix of academy graduates and quality acquisitions.
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    IslandExile reacted to enachops in WHY   
    With Clement, who chose those players. Ince, Bent, Shackell etc. all signed quite quickly after his appointment. Some weren’t a great fit. Makes me question whether the manager had a say. Clement was too weak and inexperienced to get what he wanted.
    I also think Mel would have benefited from having a larger board. He hasn’t surrounded himself with great people. Who does he have to bounce ideas off or to tell him you’re wrong or maybe consider this... He has had plenty of advisors in e.g Redknapp but it's easy to advise if you don’t have to deal with  the consequences.
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    IslandExile got a reaction from bcnram in WHY   
    Please tell us what you would have done differently in his position.
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    IslandExile reacted to LazloW in WHY   
    Everything is easy in hindsight. I’m sure every decision that has been made has been made with the best of intentions and the best interests of the club. It would be hard to conclude that many of those decisions have not turned out to be the best, but it’s easy to be wise after the event.
    A lot of things that have gone wrong are also ‘sporting’ issues, which I refuse to blame the owner for. Backing your manager isn’t a crime. Bringing in managers with decent CVs and footballing pedigree isn’t a crime. There are plenty of examples of teams who underperform out there and it is rarely the owner’s fault. That’s the nature of football I’m afraid. Sometimes other teams are better than you. It happens.
    I think a lot of negative things have happened all at once which has led to a lot of conflating of issues and 2+2 is equaling 5 in a lot of cases. But I’m not angry (I’m not even faux angry) - more than anything I’m just sad that it’s turned out this way and sad for Mel as well. 
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    IslandExile got a reaction from sage in WHY   
    Yes, I have said on the parallel thread, I think the biggest mistake he made was appointing managers who had different styles of play, requiring different types of player. The result is a poor squad now and issues with overspending.
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    IslandExile reacted to Curtains in Was it really so bad to spend and try and get to Prem .   
    Lampard was a risk but some fans will never forget Leeds away that got us to Wembley.
    Didn't hear fans having a go at Mel then. .
    I have criticized Mel but I would never kick someone when they are down .
    I was delighted with Derby fans last Saturday backing the club .
    We need more of that .
    We will be back at PP soon thank goodness and hope it’s in the Championship 
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    IslandExile reacted to i-Ram in Was it really so bad to spend and try and get to Prem .   
    He was unlucky to a degree with Lampard Curtains, but he should have known he was taking a real risk hiring him. He was either going to struggle through inexperience, or have a good first year and then be attracted by a Russian, or anyone else with some big money, waving their frilly knickers at him.  To have gone with Rowett, then allow Lampard to come in and play a completely different system, selling Vydra and buying some complete dross instead (and paying huge irrecoverable loan fees) was Morris’s fault. As for Club Owners coming under pressure from Fans to sack Managers, when did that alien concept start?
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    IslandExile reacted to enachops in WHY   
    Where to begin...
    Not appointed a rookie manager in Clement and then give him about 20 million to waste.
    Not walk in the changing rooms undermining said rookie manager.
    Not sacking managers on a regular basis.
    After sacking managers, appointing their replacement who has a completely different playing style.
    Not mentioning the ‘Derby way’
    Not spending millions of pounds on guff which means having to sell/get loans for the training ground and stadium.
    Appointing Stephen Pearce as chief exec despite him messing up countless contracts and not keeping finances in check in his previous job as finance officer.
    Basically, pretty much everything has gone tits up under his stewardship. Great intentions, heart in the right place, but it’s been a disaster. 
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    IslandExile reacted to RadioactiveWaste in Was it really so bad to spend and try and get to Prem .   
    The "sin" wasn't the spending, it was the dancing around to try and avoid the consiquences of it. That, and failing.
    Suppose in 2016 we'd have cut our cloth, accepted a few seasons of being mediocer whilst we build another challenge and taken the hit on blackman, butterfield and others not working out, we'd not be the villain of the piece we currently find ourselves.
    It is what it is, we failed, we're extreamly unpopular in the division, but we are still Derby fans, and always will be, and this cycle will run it's final course and a new cycle will start soon and we'll hope for better times. I don't think there are many Derby fans who came for the kudos or the football hopsterism, but I think we all enjoyed being a well run club, liked and respected as a proper football club with loyal fans. And that's what everyone will see us as agin, just going to take a little time.
     
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    IslandExile reacted to Curtains in Was it really so bad to spend and try and get to Prem .   
    But at the time a lot of fans agreed with the manager appointments .
    Anyhow I’m just trying to get some views on the reasons for our problems.
    I still think we aren’t guilty of anything regarding the EFL charges and I believe our amortisation policy and ground sale was cleared . 
     
    The EFL appeal was nonsensical and costly. 
     
    I still think DC will not give us a points deduction.
    If Mel stays I’m sure he will see us right. 
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    IslandExile got a reaction from RadioactiveWaste in Was it really so bad to spend and try and get to Prem .   
    Mel gets stick for overspending.
    Other club owners get stick for not backing their managers and not splashing the cash.
    To me, Mel's mistakes have been the managerial appointments.
    Managers with different styles of play meant that each new manager went to recruit different types of player. That resulted in a hotch pot of a squad.
    It needed a clear out, a reset and a long term plan to rebuild the club.
    I had hoped that we would have that under Cocu. That's why I backed him so heavily.
    The more aged and expensive players left as their contracts expired. Unfortunately, however, by then a lack of money and transfer embargoes inhibited replacing them.
    Without reopening the debate again, it didn't work out this season on the pitch and Cocu left.
    But whether we get new owners or not, whether Rooney stays as manager or we go for someone else..... We still need that rebuild process to be completed. Hopefully with a mix of academy graduates and quality acquisitions.
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    IslandExile got a reaction from Curtains in Was it really so bad to spend and try and get to Prem .   
    But isn't that the fault of the different managers that we had? Mel just backed their judgment.
    As I've said, I think Mel's mistake has been the managerial appointments that he made.
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    IslandExile reacted to Curtains in Was it really so bad to spend and try and get to Prem .   
    Mel wouldn’t have chosen the players though so I wouldn’t blame him for that .
    I think there is an argument for picking wrong managers but that’s not something I would say you could foresee so I’m not sure I’d blame him for that either .
    Covid 19 is very hard on Derby at the minute with lowered revenue streams .
    Derby more than most clubs rely  on there fan base with ticket sales and corporate stuff on match days .
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    IslandExile reacted to i-Ram in Was it really so bad to spend and try and get to Prem .   
    Portsmouth and Sunderland gambled big too.
    Mel bought the club, and is entitled in many ways to spend as little or as much money he likes to chase his dream. He however had/has, in my view, a responsibility to have a long term plan to protect the best interests of our club, and as custodian to always be in a position to ensure that funds are available so the club does not go under. He remains a very rich man fortunately, so therefore there really is no reason why he should not keep funding the club until he has passed the baton to a new ‘fit and proper’ owner.
    Spending money wasn’t really the problem Curtains. Having apparently no strategic plan (other than something about the ‘Derby way’), no decent (or at least assertive) senior executives, and hiring a rag tag bunch of managers has been the problem, changing our shape, systems, and playing personnel every managerial change. 
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