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    Gisby reacted to CHCDerby in How long?   
    What I’d suggest is don’t bother going until things get better and then cry when you can’t get tickets for a big game when the team are riding high again. 
     
    I see this as Cocu testing every part of the team at the moment to see what we need to do in January. I might be wrong but I’m also willing to give him longer than he’s had. 
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    Gisby reacted to IslandExile in v Sheffield Wednesday Match Thread   
    It's unbelievable.
    As someone pointed out, it's not necessarily the same people but as a "collective", people were calling for changes. He makes changes and now it's "tinkering"; people were calling for the youngsters, now it's risky playing them.
    Please be positive - it's a hour before kick off!! COYR 🐏
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    Gisby reacted to nottingram in v Sheffield Wednesday Match Thread   
    Names a team for an away game. Said team loses. Fans complain how bad the performance was. 
     
    Fast forward four days.
     
    Names new team, dropping some of the under performers. Fans complain Cocu is tinkering and pulling names out of a hat.
     
    I give up I really do
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    Gisby reacted to BondJovi in Cocu in or out?   
    The problem we currently face goes back to the end of Mac1. Our squad was primed, ready to the be added to. We changed direct with Clement and we splashed the cash to amass a lot of players and none the better for it. The same process with Pearson. And then Rowett, new direction again. Each new manager, each time the squad became more confused and in most cases weaker.
    Lampard added to the squad with mid-championship standard players. But loans were the stars.
    To be blunt. There are no stars in this squad, every previous manager has had that luxury. We have always had at least one player you might be expect a prem team to take a punt on. Not now and even in good form I don't see that changing. When you consider what we have spent since Mac1 that is an awful place to be in.
    I agree he is making too many changes but I fail see what he has done with what he has that is even close to bad enough to consider sacking and throwing the whole club into upheaval yet again.
     
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    Gisby reacted to TuffLuff in Cocu in or out?   
    So when I was asked at the pub by a few mates over the weekend ‘what’s up with Derby at the minute?’ I pretty much responded by saying we are in an inconsistent run we’ve probably been due since the Pearson/Mac/Rowett season.
    In the immediate future we lack a Wilson, Vydra or Ince that we’ve had to rely on to maybe pop up with a goal that makes defeats into draws and draws into wins. But the reality is that although we’ve had competitive seasons under Rowett and Lampard, they papered over the cracks rather than dealing with the long term issues.
    Now in fairness to Cocu, he essentially came to the club quite late and with that decided to mostly stick with what he had and have a proper look at what he has available to him. To some this was probably a godsend and have got themselves back into contention short term, although with this in mind the simple reality is that no player can say that they haven’t been given a chance under Cocu and quite a few have fallen on their own swords as well.
    I think Cocu has learnt a lot about his players in the last month, more than what he did between August-October anyway, in who he can work with and who isn’t going to fit his plans. It’s been frustrating for fans and it’s crucial for the club that we get through it without too much damage but it is a necessary process to clear the playing staff of players we don’t need (whether they are fan favourites or not).
    Simply we’ve been due a season like this for a little while now. Rowett needed to do the clear out but sent everyone out on loan and then spent a load of money, Lampard was kinda similar although slightly more successful, but essentially neither of them addressed the issue. Cocu is doing that but it’s not a simple process and as fans we do need to scrutinise but also see the bigger picture 
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    Gisby reacted to S8TY in Cocu in or out?   
    Just have a think about this ...Mel Morris brought Cocu in saying he wanted continuity in how we played and promoting youth so does anyone think in the talks between MM and PC prior to appointing him that perhaps Mel asked Phil what sort of football he’d like to see and can we possibly get somewhere near playing  the Derby way” as MM has described it which I generally believe to be when Mac1 was here with Cloughs players ...I don’t think Mel said I want a negative crap dour bore everyone to death type of football so guess what ...I believe like one poster suggested on here that the PNE game was how he’d like us to play not the dross we’ve had to put up with away from home A lot of fans on here were impressed with how we played against PNE especially in the first half and for me it was the best 45 that we’ve played even PNE fans commented on how good we were 
    The away performances have been dire and although I agree with some on here saying a more attack minded line up or formation might help I just don’t see that this group are anywhere near good enough ...I will no doubt be lambasted for this but after watching this season I’m convinced that nearly all of this squad is not good enough not quick enough and don’t have enough desire for a fight but are ok when the going is good ...this squad needs a major overhaul and as much as that sounds easy it is not ...in “football manager” you can drop the whole team and put the youth team in but unlike the real thing it won’t give you the reaction that Cocu would get for that in reality ...he has to pick a team every week and I believe he’d not select most of them if he had a chance but he has no option ...if he was to say to all those who are deemed not good enough that they’re not in his plans he’d have mutiny I can imagine ...the transfer window doesn’t let you chop and change when you want and I think this first few months have been hell for Cocu ...give him time to sort this out but as long as we stay up I’m sure we’ll see a much better side after the summer ...
    everyone rates Bogle and Holmes for example but they are very mediocre players and Bogle for example needs to learn how to defend first and foremost...he needs to be left out for a while and maybe he’ll get better but he is part of the reason we have conceded so many goals this season with a 34 year old CB a LB playing at CB and we don’t have a settled LB ...not to mention we don’t have any decent keepers ...this may all sound harsh but in reality it’s true ...if you write down our squad and look at each player individually ...they wouldn’t get in most top six sides 
    There will be members on here who will slag me for my comments but we need a mass clear out ...take Keogh Wilson Mount Temori Carson Johnson and Bryson even Nugent ( who played much more than most fans thought he should ) out and we look what we are ...very weak! 
    give him time and judge him this time next season 
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    Gisby reacted to LeedsCityRam in Quality   
    His background may be the reason why. Dutch footballers are taught to play in a number of different positions to improve their knowledge of the game. That approach was also the bedrock of Total Football.
    Clearly if it's not working, it's not working but he wont have been the only person to wonder whether Bogle could play higher up the pitch.
    And of course hes still not been here that long so will still be experimenting to some extent.
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    Gisby reacted to Archied in Quality   
    You say we are far from the strongest side and far from the weakest ,,,,, well that’s what our position in division reflects,,
    this will please you but Martin is about the only one that has a first touch and can pass a ball but to be fair he has his limitations over the last few years ,
    yes we swing from good performances to absolute dire and to me that reflects very much the quality of players we have who are not capable of producing any level of consistency,
    do I have concerns over cocu and think we could be a bit better ?     Yep , but I’m trying to give a bit of time and balance to form a proper view
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    Gisby reacted to richinspain in Quality   
    Is it random though? I haven't got a clue, but I would hope that he has. His previous record suggests that he has. I don't know why he "tinkers", except when there are injuries, but again I hope that he does. He has constantly spoken of a long term plan and vision. Hopefully this is all part of it. Part of him getting to know the players he has that can take that plan forward. I had hoped to see improvement over the season, up to now we've had odd glimpses. I do however believe that he should be given time to implement the plan. How much time? I suppose for me that this time next year we should be seeing those signs. If this season really is a case of taking a step back, pressing reset, and then moving on, then I for one am prepared to accept it. After all what is the other option? We sack Cocu, bring in a new manager half way through the season who may get lucky with the "bounce", or more probably does exactly the same as the last one who had that opportunity (Rowett)?
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    Gisby reacted to The Orange Pimpernel in Cocu in or out?   
    Its all about opinions. I don't agree with you but we will see. Remember our views, yours or mine, aren't facts. 
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    Gisby reacted to IslandExile in Cocu in or out?   
    I was joking/being sarcastic. It was written in despair of all the calls to remove Cocu.
    I am 100% behind Cocu myself. After all the swapping and changing, I find it refreshing to have an intelligent manager with a long term plan for the club - from academy to first team.
    Unfortunately, he has inherited a very poor squad and hasn't yet had chance to turn that around. Nevertheless, there are a few on this forum and the twittersphere who think that Derby have a god given right to be in the playoffs, at least, playing great football regardless of the quality of the players available.
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    Gisby reacted to angieram in Next season's line up   
    I think you've answered your own comment, here, Ramnut.
    The fact that Buchanan, Knight, Whittaker, Sibley have seen first team action ahead of Bateman, Wassall, Babos etc makes me think that the former are the ones making folks take notice. The others in your first list (apart from Bennett, Lowe and Hector-Ingram - who is very new) will maybe never make it for us if others are leapfrogging them.
    Hope Max Hunt's loan will mean he is a real contender when he gets back and for your second list there's still all to play for. 
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    Gisby reacted to IslandExile in Next season's line up   
    I would point to Bielik, the one player that Cocu had the time and money to buy, as the quality of player that he has his sights on bringing in - and, let's face it that we need.
    Hopefully, with investment "close" and two transfer windows before next season, we can up the quality of the squad considerably. The average standard needs to be above the quality of our best players now, if we are to get promoted and then stay there.
    I am pleased to read in this thread and others, there are many arguing for "building a dynasty" (one phrase I saw and liked) rather than an instant Warnock clagged promotion, immediately followed by an even faster wee Billy plummet.
    We need to buy in quality and bring on the academy players. Cocu's interview, the other week, brilliantly overviewed the plan. I'm in.
    COYR 🐏
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    Gisby reacted to 86 Schmokes & a Pancake in Investment Close   
    This is a valid point and an interesting one too. It could be argued that if a sudden embarrassment of riches befell us then some signings may block the progress of promising youth players but I think Cocu is a bit of a shrewdie and given his 4 year contract, will show patience enough to replace senior players who don't cut the mustard before recruiting to fill positions where the likes of Whitaker, Sibley, Knight et al may prove themselves Championship quality or better. Doing otherwise seems counter-intuitive to his whole ethos.
    I'd expect to see a lot more first team outings for these lads next season at which point they'll sink or swim. A team loaded with really talented young'uns, all hungry for success like Bogle, Lowe, Bielik and the aforementioned is a prospect to savour, especially if some real quality is added using the investment funds too.
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    Gisby reacted to Wignall12 in Investment Close   
    Moan away Old stick ................but would you sooner have Colin in charge or Big Sam or some other short term Bozo just to get us up , only to see us get 11 points or less and be a laughing stock ? 
    We've had WAY TO MUCH chop and change then suffer the consequences of our sack the manager and employ the next failure then spend seasons getting shot of players no longer wanted. 
    Some folks are seriously far too impatient, a dynasty has to be built slowly to be successful, you will need patience , if you ain't got it (puts tin helmet on ) go follow another team cos chop and change gets you nowhere.
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    Gisby reacted to angieram in Investment Close   
    I am interested when reading discussions about investment in how little it is acknowledged that we have been playing an unfair game with constantly moving goalposts over the years that Mel has been in charge.
    If you look at the first season of the current era of near successes, 2013 - 2014, we were competing against clubs receiving parachute payments of merely £10.5 million. A season later these payments had increased to £20.8 million and now top a whopping £42.6 million.
    This has had the effect of inflating transfer fees to the extent that a "Barker type fee" became a "Johnson type fee" and now a "Bielik type fee". There's no way we would have been paying that type of price for a promising 21 year old five years ago.
    This expenditure raises fans' expectations of how good the players are going to be and they get disappointed when they aren't immediately world beaters.
    Even more telling, I feel, is the fact that clubs with three years parachute payments of this magnitude can afford to offer lucrative contracts on much higher salaries than we can manage.
    We tried to do it for a while, got badly stung in the process and have now reset to a more sensible approach. Unfortunately some fans have not reset alongside the club, and dissatisfaction is the outcome.
    All along this process Mel has found innovative ways to maximise income, some of which have come under very close scrutiny. I feel he is doing everything he can to keep us competitive while he waits for the academy to bear fruit.  The fact that we have sold one or two of the lesser known academy players for fees in recent seasons is promising but the ultimate aim is to reap the rewards ourselves. 
    I think we will but we need to be patient. The most talented ones are still very young and we can only introduce one or two at a time.
    As @richinspain says, this is the Derby way that Mel has talked about over the years. I hope that this time it succeeds.
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    Gisby reacted to CHCDerby in Phillip Cocu   
    How anybody can blame Cocu is beyond me.
    You can only work with the tools you have been given and lets be honest, he hasn't got a lot to work with.
    Lets see what he does in January to bring a couple of players in. Lets judge him on this and not the players we got in pre season. I can't see paterson or Dowell being high on the wish list of Cocu
    We then need to see the window in pre season again when Cocu has been able to blend his own players with a few we already have and the academy prospects we have coming in. 
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    Gisby reacted to CHCDerby in Phillip Cocu   
    Every club that’s successful will have to move backwards before moving forwards. 
     
    Leicester, Wolves and Norwich just a few. 
     
    Im guessing their supporters had these same discussions whilst their club went backwards. 
     
    Could we have a more ambitious chairman, no. Could we have a more stable club, no. 
     
    Let’s just be patient until the season ends to see where we are. I believe Cocu has everything to make us great but supporters need to be patient. 
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    Gisby got a reaction from 86 Schmokes & a Pancake in Experiment   
    Great minds think ...... and all that, I posted this yesterday in another thread, agree it’s a bit of a ‘left field’ theory but you never know 🙂
    Posted yesterday at 09:15
    I’ve had an idea .... how about if Cocu is being even cleverer than we give him credit for? ..... how about if all this tinkering is deliberate and designed to mess with the heads of those in the first team squad ... to sort the wheat from the chaff ... perhaps he’s gone to Mel and said ‘look as long as we don’t get relegated will you give me this season to sort this lot out, to see who is really a footballer, to see who can adapt to different formations, different situations, at the end of this season I’ll have a bloody good idea who can cut it & who can’t, then next season with new players I have in mind & those youngsters coming through who I believe in we can give it a proper go’. Mel says ‘ok, go for it I’m on board, rattle a few cages and see who can cut it, the rest are history’ .... perhaps as fans we all need to play the long(er) game and trust our manager ...... perhaps I’m wrong??????
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    Gisby got a reaction from David Graham Brown in Phillip Cocu   
    I’ve had an idea .... how about if Cocu is being even cleverer than we give him credit for? ..... how about if all this tinkering is deliberate and designed to mess with the heads of those in the first team squad ... to sort the wheat from the chaff ... perhaps he’s gone to Mel and said ‘look as long as we don’t get relegated will you give me this season to sort this lot out, to see who is really a footballer, to see who can adapt to different formations, different situations, at the end of this season I’ll have a bloody good idea who can cut it & who can’t, then next season with new players I have in mind & those youngsters coming through who I believe in we can give it a proper go’. Mel says ‘ok, go for it I’m on board, rattle a few cages and see who can cut it, the rest are history’ .... perhaps as fans we all need to play the long(er) game and trust our manager ...... perhaps I’m wrong??????
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    Gisby reacted to 86 Schmokes & a Pancake in Phillip Cocu   
    Just on the topic of Cocu's team and tactics yesterday, other injuries notwithstanding, losing Bielik was a massive blow. Evans came in with big boots to fill but I swear he was concussed after an early knock as he didn't look right at all to me. 
    I'm pretty confident that Cocu knows the time of day. Not too many were clamouring to get Whitaker in the side a few weeks back but Cocu obviously knew he'd be ok. I can see him integrating moe of the younger lads across the season and with a decent summer window, he may have fashioned a really strong side by next season.
    I know it's been a long wait for us Rams but patience is absolutely key this season, especially given the incredibly unfortunate run of injuries we've had. 
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    Gisby got a reaction from therealhantsram in Phillip Cocu   
    I’ve had an idea .... how about if Cocu is being even cleverer than we give him credit for? ..... how about if all this tinkering is deliberate and designed to mess with the heads of those in the first team squad ... to sort the wheat from the chaff ... perhaps he’s gone to Mel and said ‘look as long as we don’t get relegated will you give me this season to sort this lot out, to see who is really a footballer, to see who can adapt to different formations, different situations, at the end of this season I’ll have a bloody good idea who can cut it & who can’t, then next season with new players I have in mind & those youngsters coming through who I believe in we can give it a proper go’. Mel says ‘ok, go for it I’m on board, rattle a few cages and see who can cut it, the rest are history’ .... perhaps as fans we all need to play the long(er) game and trust our manager ...... perhaps I’m wrong??????
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    Gisby got a reaction from Mucker1884 in v QPR (H) Match Thread   
    You & me both!!!!
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    Gisby got a reaction from jono in v QPR (H) Match Thread   
    Yep, give him his head. He’s got an edge, a bit of attitude but is young, has got the legs and knows where the goal is. Remind you of someone who’s just arrived when he was young?? Get him in and ready for the new year, the sorcerer & his apprentice playing alongside each other and tearing up this league. It’s Friday night and a bit of alcohol is involved but you have to dare to dream. Every young professional footballers dream to play alongside a footballing legend, Seize the opportunity and there is nothing to lose. Relegation isn’t an issue, release the shackles and lets see where the second half of the season takes us. COYR
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    Gisby reacted to jono in v QPR (H) Match Thread   
    I agree, you know that it could go badly wrong but somehow maybe now while we are in the doldrums rather than the grave it’s worth a pop. Experiment when your nearly there and you risk losing something. Experiment when your back is against the wall adds huge pressure. Right now though ? Sort of mid table, choked carburettors ... go on hit the loud pedal. Nothing to lose. Give Sibley a go I say.
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