Hanny

I see a lot of frustration and conspiracy theory posts going on. 
 
I get the frustration. But to resort to conspiracies and venting isn’t terribly helpful(to you or any of us). 
 
It seems pretty simple to me. And I’ve said it before: this is a crap deal for any buyer. But someone will end up buying.
 
And that is why we are seeing these shadow games, use of PR teams, and the length of time this is taking. 
 
Whoever buys Derby WILL be paying too much for the asset, because of the financial situation the business is in.  And all the bidders are trying their best to get it for less. That means misinformation, PR teams, and waiting. 
 
For your own health, please stop trying to shoe-horn in some conspiracies and point fingers. 
 
Again, this is a crap Deal for any buyer, and they are trying to make it a better one by employing standard tactics when negotiating deals. And it is 100% on the bidders/buyers to get this done. 
 
A buyer will sign the deal. 
coyr

I see a lot of frustration and conspiracy theory posts going on. 
 
I get the frustration. But to resort to conspiracies and venting isn’t terribly helpful(to you or any of us). 
 
It seems pretty simple to me. And I’ve said it before: this is a crap deal for any buyer. But someone will end up buying.
 
And that is why we are seeing these shadow games, use of PR teams, and the length of time this is taking. 
 
Whoever buys Derby WILL be paying too much for the asset, because of the financial situation the business is in.  And all the bidders are trying their best to get it for less. That means misinformation, PR teams, and waiting. 
 
For your own health, please stop trying to shoe-horn in some conspiracies and point fingers. 
 
Again, this is a crap Deal for any buyer, and they are trying to make it a better one by employing standard tactics when negotiating deals. And it is 100% on the bidders/buyers to get this done. 
 
A buyer will sign the deal. 
coyr

NDA isn’t cobblers. It’s a legal agreement signed by parties and if they breach them then they must pay damages. Just because you, and all of us, want something doesn’t mean the law is set to one side.  
 
What is going on at our club is, that it is a financial mess and some people are trying to sort it out. Some are doing better than others. While you and I are a fans; in the real commercial world that doesn’t make us anything more than customers. And as there isn’t a product to sell at the moment, and as you haven’t bought anything other than a match ticket, for which you “received” the product you paid for, then you have no rights whatsoever.
Hey it hurts me too but this is the harsh reality, raging about it achieves nothing other than high blood pressure. 

Thank you again. I will take a look, when able. Quick blush on the 'statement of proposal' doc, and  'Progress' doc (2021 and 2022)- these are 'offered' numbers, not open book numbers. But I may very well be misreading these sums. These look like standard accounting numbers offered to the public. Basically, any public entity will have to submit some level of ledger figures to be tracked, but that is never the full scope. AGAIN, I may be fully out of my depth in regard to how UK entities are accounted for. 
But it's nice to look over some numbers ? ?

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00049139/filing-history
Latest filing dated 24 April 2022 lists all of the creditors. 
 

Thank You. I will have a look.  
 
I am not an expert in UK based contracts/deals. A majority of my experience is based in the America’s/Canada. But that would be surprising to me if all financial details are indeed public. Perhaps it is. That would be rather unique in my experience. 
 
My hesitation is based on: If ALL financial details are indeed public, then why are there conflicting reports, and why would there be any need for ‘shadow games’ or positioning when it comes to negotiations. It should be bog-standard if the numbers are as available as logging into a website. 
 

And that’s it in a nutshell. I reckon all the bidders know exactly what is required to do any of the following:
1) Cost A : I own the club with its league status intact, minus 15 and + “x” £ year for stadium leasing
2) Cost B : I own the club with its status intact and no points deductions + stadium leasing costs. 
3) Cost C : I own the club, status intact. I also own the stadium and can chose between no points deduction or - 15 depending on how much upfront cash I chose to lay out and what length of game I am playing
More than the stadium ( buy, rent, lease meh, owning it would be right and proper but it’s a strange world these days )
it’s the structure of MSD loans and the obligations to HMRC debts that are so opaque and hard to understand from the uninformed observers point of view. 
 

Id like to know these numbers as well. But, I would never expect us(the public/etc) to actually get to see them…as we have no right to know them. We are not party to the sale. 
 
However, every bidder and all parties (Creditors/Q/EFL/etc) will know these numbers. Since they are the only ones that matter in the sale of the asset. 
 
The above is why I’m confident that the long hold up of a sale is merely process driven, positioning, etc, and naught to do with conspiracies. 
 
Everyone involved knows the numbers, and everyone gets checked by the other sides accountants/lawyers/etc. So the only thing holding this up are bidders getting to the correct number…which they all know, but likely don’t want to pay ?‍♂️

first good bid wins. End of.

there is no rationale for your assertion anyone would've made an acceptable bid (we need acceptable, not credible)
If the bid was worthy, it would've been accepted. It's not, it's clearly not good enough.
But nobody wanted to make a proper bid anyway, before or after.

the fact that NOBODY has had a bid accepted since Kirchner pulled out suggests it was not 2 months wasted time. It was wasted hope, but the fact that nothing has happened since has proven no time was lost/wasted.

You know. Maybe ist just a preference thing. But I don’t quite understand all the  Nixon slagging. 
 
The bloke is cryptic at times. But, to me, that just implies he’s being honest. Most stories/situations are actually boring and process driven, as opposed to fanciful and conspiracy laden. 
 
Take the CK situation; there really was nothing to suggest he wasn’t going to get the deal done. All contracts were signed and agreed. He even sent the money. All of this can actually be tracked by the parties involved. Then he pulled his offer. So up until he pulled the offer, everybody involved seemed to agree it was all going well (if not a bit lengthy). 
 
I’m sure some details will come out about why it has gone done the way it has. And I’d be surprised if those details aren’t just boring process related issues. But that’s beside the point. 
 
Nixon can be a wee bit rash and frustrating at times. But he always seems pretty level on reporting matters. Or like I said, maybe it’s just a preference thing ?‍♂️

I certainly am fine and happy with the next owner not being CK. But I still don’t see where he’s a bullshitter? A bit pompous maybe, but what rich egotist isn’t at least a wee bit arrogant. 
 
Every party connected (creditors/Admin/EFL/etc) signed off on CK, his money, and the contracts negotiated. ?‍♂️
 
So it seems to me the only way you could think he is a bullshitter or misrepresented himself in some fashion- is if you also believe in the fanciful conspiracies being floated and that every one of those other entities are incompetent too. Which seems a stretch to me. 

You know. Maybe ist just a preference thing. But I don’t quite understand all the  Nixon slagging. 
 
The bloke is cryptic at times. But, to me, that just implies he’s being honest. Most stories/situations are actually boring and process driven, as opposed to fanciful and conspiracy laden. 
 
Take the CK situation; there really was nothing to suggest he wasn’t going to get the deal done. All contracts were signed and agreed. He even sent the money. All of this can actually be tracked by the parties involved. Then he pulled his offer. So up until he pulled the offer, everybody involved seemed to agree it was all going well (if not a bit lengthy). 
 
I’m sure some details will come out about why it has gone done the way it has. And I’d be surprised if those details aren’t just boring process related issues. But that’s beside the point. 
 
Nixon can be a wee bit rash and frustrating at times. But he always seems pretty level on reporting matters. Or like I said, maybe it’s just a preference thing ?‍♂️

Yeah. I guess I read plan B as While CK (and everyone) waited for his initial 21.4 million to clear, he would get another 21.4 million ready and sent in a different manner in case he needed to use it. 
 
Then he pulled his offer?‍♂️  
 
I’d be a little surprised if CK came back in. And think that speculation is a bit fanciful.
 
But I suppose, their could be speculation that pulling the offer was in some way demanded by the creditors/admins so as to have a clean position to agree or turn down any new potential bids that come in. 
 
Essentially: come back when the money is ready to be dispersed- until then we will officially set your offer aside so we won’t judge any new bid against it ?‍♂️

Yeah. I guess I read plan B as While CK (and everyone) waited for his initial 21.4 million to clear, he would get another 21.4 million ready and sent in a different manner in case he needed to use it. 
 
Then he pulled his offer?‍♂️  
 
I’d be a little surprised if CK came back in. And think that speculation is a bit fanciful.
 
But I suppose, their could be speculation that pulling the offer was in some way demanded by the creditors/admins so as to have a clean position to agree or turn down any new potential bids that come in. 
 
Essentially: come back when the money is ready to be dispersed- until then we will officially set your offer aside so we won’t judge any new bid against it ?‍♂️

You know. Maybe ist just a preference thing. But I don’t quite understand all the  Nixon slagging. 
 
The bloke is cryptic at times. But, to me, that just implies he’s being honest. Most stories/situations are actually boring and process driven, as opposed to fanciful and conspiracy laden. 
 
Take the CK situation; there really was nothing to suggest he wasn’t going to get the deal done. All contracts were signed and agreed. He even sent the money. All of this can actually be tracked by the parties involved. Then he pulled his offer. So up until he pulled the offer, everybody involved seemed to agree it was all going well (if not a bit lengthy). 
 
I’m sure some details will come out about why it has gone done the way it has. And I’d be surprised if those details aren’t just boring process related issues. But that’s beside the point. 
 
Nixon can be a wee bit rash and frustrating at times. But he always seems pretty level on reporting matters. Or like I said, maybe it’s just a preference thing ?‍♂️

Alan posting here will not make you any money. I’d keep It behind your Paetron. 

You know. Maybe ist just a preference thing. But I don’t quite understand all the  Nixon slagging. 
 
The bloke is cryptic at times. But, to me, that just implies he’s being honest. Most stories/situations are actually boring and process driven, as opposed to fanciful and conspiracy laden. 
 
Take the CK situation; there really was nothing to suggest he wasn’t going to get the deal done. All contracts were signed and agreed. He even sent the money. All of this can actually be tracked by the parties involved. Then he pulled his offer. So up until he pulled the offer, everybody involved seemed to agree it was all going well (if not a bit lengthy). 
 
I’m sure some details will come out about why it has gone done the way it has. And I’d be surprised if those details aren’t just boring process related issues. But that’s beside the point. 
 
Nixon can be a wee bit rash and frustrating at times. But he always seems pretty level on reporting matters. Or like I said, maybe it’s just a preference thing ?‍♂️

You know. Maybe ist just a preference thing. But I don’t quite understand all the  Nixon slagging. 
 
The bloke is cryptic at times. But, to me, that just implies he’s being honest. Most stories/situations are actually boring and process driven, as opposed to fanciful and conspiracy laden. 
 
Take the CK situation; there really was nothing to suggest he wasn’t going to get the deal done. All contracts were signed and agreed. He even sent the money. All of this can actually be tracked by the parties involved. Then he pulled his offer. So up until he pulled the offer, everybody involved seemed to agree it was all going well (if not a bit lengthy). 
 
I’m sure some details will come out about why it has gone done the way it has. And I’d be surprised if those details aren’t just boring process related issues. But that’s beside the point. 
 
Nixon can be a wee bit rash and frustrating at times. But he always seems pretty level on reporting matters. Or like I said, maybe it’s just a preference thing ?‍♂️

You know. Maybe ist just a preference thing. But I don’t quite understand all the  Nixon slagging. 
 
The bloke is cryptic at times. But, to me, that just implies he’s being honest. Most stories/situations are actually boring and process driven, as opposed to fanciful and conspiracy laden. 
 
Take the CK situation; there really was nothing to suggest he wasn’t going to get the deal done. All contracts were signed and agreed. He even sent the money. All of this can actually be tracked by the parties involved. Then he pulled his offer. So up until he pulled the offer, everybody involved seemed to agree it was all going well (if not a bit lengthy). 
 
I’m sure some details will come out about why it has gone done the way it has. And I’d be surprised if those details aren’t just boring process related issues. But that’s beside the point. 
 
Nixon can be a wee bit rash and frustrating at times. But he always seems pretty level on reporting matters. Or like I said, maybe it’s just a preference thing ?‍♂️

You know. Maybe ist just a preference thing. But I don’t quite understand all the  Nixon slagging. 
 
The bloke is cryptic at times. But, to me, that just implies he’s being honest. Most stories/situations are actually boring and process driven, as opposed to fanciful and conspiracy laden. 
 
Take the CK situation; there really was nothing to suggest he wasn’t going to get the deal done. All contracts were signed and agreed. He even sent the money. All of this can actually be tracked by the parties involved. Then he pulled his offer. So up until he pulled the offer, everybody involved seemed to agree it was all going well (if not a bit lengthy). 
 
I’m sure some details will come out about why it has gone done the way it has. And I’d be surprised if those details aren’t just boring process related issues. But that’s beside the point. 
 
Nixon can be a wee bit rash and frustrating at times. But he always seems pretty level on reporting matters. Or like I said, maybe it’s just a preference thing ?‍♂️

You know. Maybe ist just a preference thing. But I don’t quite understand all the  Nixon slagging. 
 
The bloke is cryptic at times. But, to me, that just implies he’s being honest. Most stories/situations are actually boring and process driven, as opposed to fanciful and conspiracy laden. 
 
Take the CK situation; there really was nothing to suggest he wasn’t going to get the deal done. All contracts were signed and agreed. He even sent the money. All of this can actually be tracked by the parties involved. Then he pulled his offer. So up until he pulled the offer, everybody involved seemed to agree it was all going well (if not a bit lengthy). 
 
I’m sure some details will come out about why it has gone done the way it has. And I’d be surprised if those details aren’t just boring process related issues. But that’s beside the point. 
 
Nixon can be a wee bit rash and frustrating at times. But he always seems pretty level on reporting matters. Or like I said, maybe it’s just a preference thing ?‍♂️

You know. Maybe ist just a preference thing. But I don’t quite understand all the  Nixon slagging. 
 
The bloke is cryptic at times. But, to me, that just implies he’s being honest. Most stories/situations are actually boring and process driven, as opposed to fanciful and conspiracy laden. 
 
Take the CK situation; there really was nothing to suggest he wasn’t going to get the deal done. All contracts were signed and agreed. He even sent the money. All of this can actually be tracked by the parties involved. Then he pulled his offer. So up until he pulled the offer, everybody involved seemed to agree it was all going well (if not a bit lengthy). 
 
I’m sure some details will come out about why it has gone done the way it has. And I’d be surprised if those details aren’t just boring process related issues. But that’s beside the point. 
 
Nixon can be a wee bit rash and frustrating at times. But he always seems pretty level on reporting matters. Or like I said, maybe it’s just a preference thing ?‍♂️

Whoever buys the club WILL have paid too much for it. That’s the rough state of play. 
 
The need to hit certain thresholds from Creditors/MSD/EFL(golden share)/Q/etc- simply means it is a s*** deal for anyone. 
 
However! Someone will see the potential commercial and marketing opportunities of being able to say:I own Derby County,  and all the marketing trappings that comes with. 
 
It has been such a long, frustrating process. But someone will see the value in the future to pay over price now. 
 
coyr