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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from RamontheMoor in Craig Ramage as a player   
    It had to be said, that most of what I have read was on Twitter, and I think the typical reader of this board is smarter and more well informed.
    But,  I'm surprised at how many people have knocked Ramage on his playing ability (not that that is even relevant).
    Technically speaking, he was a good player and many pundits during his early days thought he was headed for an international career.
    His issues at the highest level were two-fold, and both similar to Nigel Clough.
    He wasn't quick enough to be elite.
    And he didn't score enough goal.
    But, to say he wasn't a very good footballer is nonsense imho irrespective of what has gone on. 
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from 48 hours in Craig Ramage as a player   
    It had to be said, that most of what I have read was on Twitter, and I think the typical reader of this board is smarter and more well informed.
    But,  I'm surprised at how many people have knocked Ramage on his playing ability (not that that is even relevant).
    Technically speaking, he was a good player and many pundits during his early days thought he was headed for an international career.
    His issues at the highest level were two-fold, and both similar to Nigel Clough.
    He wasn't quick enough to be elite.
    And he didn't score enough goal.
    But, to say he wasn't a very good footballer is nonsense imho irrespective of what has gone on. 
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    Bob The Badger reacted to Gee SCREAMER !! in Craig Ramage as a player   
    Based on the below he was a big favourite at Watford.  Column by a fella called Richard Murphy
    Wasn't the worst player I've seen play for us . But certainly not in my top 20- probably better than Harkes and Kuhl who took his place in the squad mind.
    There really was only one Craig Ramage. From the moment that he made his effortless first touch in his debut at Charlton, there was incredulous excitement that Glenn Roeder had unearthed such a veritable gem. And all for just £90,000? This footballing god was priceless!
    Probably Watford's most naturally gifted player in the barren years between GT's two reigns, he had the touch, vision and, most importantly, the nonchalant swagger to mark himself down in WFC folklore. His middle name should have been 'Showboater' rather than just 'Darren', and, as a result, he inevitably polarised opinion amongst fans. Perhaps, off the pitch, he did fall in love with the idea of the playboy footballer lifestyle, and, on the pitch, he was frustratingly wasteful at times. But, whilst some disliked him for being a casual poser, many more loved him for virtually the same reason, as he really was 'worth the entry money alone'. Suddenly, after years of huffing and hoofing, the unlikely source of Derby had delivered the Vic a saviour who would show us a glimpse of the beautiful game.
    In his first full season, 94/95, Ramage inspired a seemingly relegation-threatened side to within a whisker of the play-offs, proving that, for all his sumptuous style, he still provided the substance of an end product as well. Employed through his career as a striker or in midfield, he really sparkled at the top of Roeder's diamond formation that season. Despite the dodgy cloth of which the Hummel shirt was cut, he made the Glory Horns look good playing football again.He ghosted past players with the shimmy of Gazza, threaded through impossible passes with the vision of Cantona, and curled free kicks into the top corner with the impudence of Zola. Even the Derek Payne five-yard pass was made to look incisive when it ended up on the end of Craig's twinkling toes. He scored eleven goals that season and had many more assists, guiding Watford to finish in an unforeseen seventh place.
    With such a mercurial talent, there were those who said it would not last. And they were sort of right. After a well-deserved holiday, he came back into the 95/96 season a little unfit and overweight. But with 'tracking back' not part of his Derbyshire dialect, what did it matter? Still, he was dropped for the whole of August. Rumours that he took a swing at Glenn Roeder but couldn't get his arm past his stomach didn't help. But, he made the perfect riposte to Roeder in his first home game of the season against Stoke City: in a virtuoso performance, he bagged a brace, with a signature freekick in front of the Vic Road End to whom he rubbed his bulging belly with glee. However, without a proven goalscorer to feed, Ramage could not prevent Watford sliding to the bottom of the table in a difficult season. GT's arrival brought a Ramage-led renaissance for the team, including a classic hatrick in a 6-3 pulverising of Grimsby, and in this season of struggle, Ramage still ended up with more goals than the previous season. But even Craig couldn't pull off the miracle and Watford were relegated on the last day of the season at home to Leicester City.
    The Second Division arenas of the Recreation Ground and Gigg Lane were not appropriate stages for such a performer and Ramage never really looked happy in his new environment. But injury blighted his season anyway before a petulant sending off in his penultimate game brought an ill-fitting end to his Watford career.
    But the appeal of Ramage's footballing wizardry was supplemented by his unique relationship with the fans. That belly rub to the Vic Road End against Stoke or his cheeky little thumbs up to the travelling fans against Wimbledon turned him into the impudent legend he was, leading to the fanzine's popular 'As Cool As Craig' T-shirts. His persona was perfectly encapsulated in the image of him mockingly smoking a cigar in front of the delirious Watford fans after slotting home the fourth in the rout away to Southend. When that sort of imperious swagger was matched by his artistry on the pitch, you had to love him.
    Underneath all his on-field strutting, he seemed like a really decent bloke as well. He always had time for the fans away from the pitch, and never forgot the relationship he had built up, exemplified when he sent one of my friends a twenty-first birthday card years after he had left the club. Even Glenn Roeder, who had a notoriously rocky relationship with him, received a letter of goodwill from Ramage following Roeder's brain tumour scare.
    With the natural talent he had, perhaps Craig Ramage should have had a career in the Premiership. But, whilst the player himself admits he could have knuckled down some more in his early days where he got caught up with being a young footballer, ill-timed injuries as much as attitude meant he never played at the highest level, leaving his England U-21 appearances as his greatest honour.
    Like the great man himself says, "It was great three-and-a-half years, I don't regret any of it". Me neither, Craig, me neither.
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from europia in Craig Ramage as a player   
    It had to be said, that most of what I have read was on Twitter, and I think the typical reader of this board is smarter and more well informed.
    But,  I'm surprised at how many people have knocked Ramage on his playing ability (not that that is even relevant).
    Technically speaking, he was a good player and many pundits during his early days thought he was headed for an international career.
    His issues at the highest level were two-fold, and both similar to Nigel Clough.
    He wasn't quick enough to be elite.
    And he didn't score enough goal.
    But, to say he wasn't a very good footballer is nonsense imho irrespective of what has gone on. 
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    Bob The Badger reacted to Boycie in Craig Ramage as a player   
    Jeez, I bet his ears are red raw.
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from Eatonram in Craig Ramage as a player   
    It had to be said, that most of what I have read was on Twitter, and I think the typical reader of this board is smarter and more well informed.
    But,  I'm surprised at how many people have knocked Ramage on his playing ability (not that that is even relevant).
    Technically speaking, he was a good player and many pundits during his early days thought he was headed for an international career.
    His issues at the highest level were two-fold, and both similar to Nigel Clough.
    He wasn't quick enough to be elite.
    And he didn't score enough goal.
    But, to say he wasn't a very good footballer is nonsense imho irrespective of what has gone on. 
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from 86 Schmokes & a Pancake in Radio Derby   
    Fair enough. Maybe I should pay more attention. Sorry @Norman Hull
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from Mucker1884 in Craig Ramage as a player   
    Im 57 too (1962?) but sadly you earn the right to know about kippers dicks, I can't just share it willy nilly. 
    in all honesty,the only time I heard the phrase was when I was working in West Bromwich for a couple of years around 2001. Go figure. 
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from Mucker1884 in Radio Derby   
    Bud, you're both barking up the wrong tree and should leaf him alone.
    I think the root of this problem this stems from trying to branch out too soon.
    Anyway, I'm off to slip into my trunks as it's warm in central Florida today.
    If you want to continue this nonsense, hit me up on what SAP. 
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from metalsheep02 in Craig Ramage as a player   
    It had to be said, that most of what I have read was on Twitter, and I think the typical reader of this board is smarter and more well informed.
    But,  I'm surprised at how many people have knocked Ramage on his playing ability (not that that is even relevant).
    Technically speaking, he was a good player and many pundits during his early days thought he was headed for an international career.
    His issues at the highest level were two-fold, and both similar to Nigel Clough.
    He wasn't quick enough to be elite.
    And he didn't score enough goal.
    But, to say he wasn't a very good footballer is nonsense imho irrespective of what has gone on. 
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    Bob The Badger reacted to MackworthRamIsGod in Radio Derby   
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    Bob The Badger reacted to G STAR RAM in Radio Derby   
    Max Lowe?
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    Bob The Badger reacted to G STAR RAM in Radio Derby   
    To be fair he did try ringing them but ended up with a Western Taxi outside his house.
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    Bob The Badger reacted to Mucker1884 in Max Lowe Racial Stereotyping   
    Sticking my nose in, I think @GeneralRam was quoting his "result" of the test, so they are telling him "Your data suggests..."
    I don't think he was referring to "you" personally, @Bob The Badger.
     
    ...I could be wrong... it wouldn't be the first time!  😉
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from Patrick Rams in Max Lowe Racial Stereotyping   
    I think intent is important mate.
    My dad never got his head around the change from calling people coloured to black.
    He never meant to cause offence but every so often I'd cringe with what he'd say and tell him after the event.
    I agree, that we are looking to change and educate, but I think there is a world of difference between deliberately being abusive and not being sure what to say. Or, being ignorant of what to say.
    I'm generalizing and not sure this applies to Ramage. As somebody on public radio he should know better.
    But, overall I think intent is a huge factor.
    We have ALL unintentionally hurt somebody with the words we have used, that doesn't mean we are all bad or hurtful people.
     
     
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from Patrick Rams in Max Lowe Racial Stereotyping   
    The reality is, everybody is a racist to a certain extent.
    This was first brought to my attention by one of my favorite authors, Malcolm Gladwell.
    Who, for those of you who don't know, has a Jamaican mother. He failed the test.
    And you will too.
    It was started by Harvard University years and years ago and is still used to gather data.
    Take it and see if you too are racist.
    In no way am I using this to support Ramage, or racism. 

    I'm just saying things are more complicated than we like to sometimes believe. 
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from GboroRam in Max Lowe Racial Stereotyping   
    The reality is, everybody is a racist to a certain extent.
    This was first brought to my attention by one of my favorite authors, Malcolm Gladwell.
    Who, for those of you who don't know, has a Jamaican mother. He failed the test.
    And you will too.
    It was started by Harvard University years and years ago and is still used to gather data.
    Take it and see if you too are racist.
    In no way am I using this to support Ramage, or racism. 

    I'm just saying things are more complicated than we like to sometimes believe. 
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from Chester40 in Max Lowe Racial Stereotyping   
    My data?
    Do you mean the data of the worlds leading academics who study the field?
    If so, take it up with them as I'm sure you can advise them of their shortcomings and they'll be suitably grateful. 
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from Zag zig in Max Lowe Racial Stereotyping   
    I think intent is important mate.
    My dad never got his head around the change from calling people coloured to black.
    He never meant to cause offence but every so often I'd cringe with what he'd say and tell him after the event.
    I agree, that we are looking to change and educate, but I think there is a world of difference between deliberately being abusive and not being sure what to say. Or, being ignorant of what to say.
    I'm generalizing and not sure this applies to Ramage. As somebody on public radio he should know better.
    But, overall I think intent is a huge factor.
    We have ALL unintentionally hurt somebody with the words we have used, that doesn't mean we are all bad or hurtful people.
     
     
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from Chester40 in Max Lowe Racial Stereotyping   
    I think intent is important mate.
    My dad never got his head around the change from calling people coloured to black.
    He never meant to cause offence but every so often I'd cringe with what he'd say and tell him after the event.
    I agree, that we are looking to change and educate, but I think there is a world of difference between deliberately being abusive and not being sure what to say. Or, being ignorant of what to say.
    I'm generalizing and not sure this applies to Ramage. As somebody on public radio he should know better.
    But, overall I think intent is a huge factor.
    We have ALL unintentionally hurt somebody with the words we have used, that doesn't mean we are all bad or hurtful people.
     
     
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from I know nothing in Greta Thunberg & Extinction Rebellion   
    If I'm in doubt about poo like this, I listen to scientists because they know more than I do.
    The overwhelming amount of scientists disagree with you @smiths_tavrn
    I can remember watching Richard Dawkins interview Deepak Chopra and it was one of the most embarrassing interviews I think I have ever seen.
    Deepak Chopra was trying to explain the Law of Attraction using quantum theory and he clearly knew very little about quantum theory.
    Dawkins wrapped him up to such an extent that Chopra blurted out that quantum physicists had hijacked the term quantum physcis for their own benefit.
    A hero of mine, Richard P Feynman who won the Nobel Prize for his work on quantum electrodynamics, once said, 'If you think you know quantum theory, you don't know quantum theory'.
    Apparently the message hadn't reached Chopra.
    Bear with me, there is a point to this ramble.
    About three years ago I was co-hosting a podcast and we invited on an English guy who is a physicist and his work crosses over into quantum theory.
    I'm not sure how it came up, but the guy started ranting about Chopra calling him one of the most dangerous men on the planet.
    I thought this was a tad harsh and said so, and his answer was interesting.
    Chopra has a PhD, so he's no muppet.
    However, his PhD is in biology, and more specifically, endocrinology. In no way does it empower him to talk about a branch of physics that is so specialized.
    My guest was irate because of the way Chopra starts messing with what people think science is and what it isn't.
    He believes, and I agree, that because people see he has a PhD that they will take his nonsensical ramblings seriously and start doubting what is actually known.
    The problem is, the only thing that should change science is new and better science, not opinions or beliefs.
    If you've got this far, well done because all I'm trying to say is I think the wisest course of actions is to listen to the  people who are, for the most part, doing the science.
    There are way too many people who have authority but no expertise (like Trump and like Chopra) just confusing people.
    Maybe you're right and most scientists are wrong, but I'd rather not back my future on it.
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from DesertRam in Max Lowe Racial Stereotyping   
    I think intent is important mate.
    My dad never got his head around the change from calling people coloured to black.
    He never meant to cause offence but every so often I'd cringe with what he'd say and tell him after the event.
    I agree, that we are looking to change and educate, but I think there is a world of difference between deliberately being abusive and not being sure what to say. Or, being ignorant of what to say.
    I'm generalizing and not sure this applies to Ramage. As somebody on public radio he should know better.
    But, overall I think intent is a huge factor.
    We have ALL unintentionally hurt somebody with the words we have used, that doesn't mean we are all bad or hurtful people.
     
     
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from Sasha in Max Lowe Racial Stereotyping   
    The reality is, everybody is a racist to a certain extent.
    This was first brought to my attention by one of my favorite authors, Malcolm Gladwell.
    Who, for those of you who don't know, has a Jamaican mother. He failed the test.
    And you will too.
    It was started by Harvard University years and years ago and is still used to gather data.
    Take it and see if you too are racist.
    In no way am I using this to support Ramage, or racism. 

    I'm just saying things are more complicated than we like to sometimes believe. 
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    Bob The Badger got a reaction from blue texel ram in Max Lowe Racial Stereotyping   
    Excellent. 
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    Bob The Badger reacted to David in Max Lowe Racial Stereotyping   
    I don’t like to see anyone lose their job and he won’t need me to tell him what he said was unacceptable. 
    He made a mistake, been punished for it and will now have to live with that. I hope he is able to move on from this and doesn’t prevent him finding employment elsewhere. 
    The man has a family to provide for, as do many of you. 
    Also it’s clear that players either read this forum or people they know read and share content with the players. 
    Think about your words, and how powerful they can be. You don’t know what personal battles others are going through. Your words either directly or indirectly could potentially be enough for someone to say....I can’t do this anymore.
     
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