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I appreciate that is what he has tried to do, but he has failed with that miserably. We used almost no acumen in the market and spent like crazy to try and compete. We have been leap frogged by most of the clubs in the league who dont have parachute payments despite spending more than them and they havent had to play with their accounting.  
Its sad to see because Mel does care... he and pearce are just not very good at running a football club unfortunately.

When Mel bought the majority share of the club we we had finished third, had a manager proven at a higher level, a young hungry squad with some real talent. 
We finished last season and would have been relegated if everyone started on the same points, a talentless squad made up of over hyped academy players and far past it senior players. The club no longer owns its stadium and we have a manager with no experience and one of the worst records in recent history. 
To me that is terrible and we have the right to question that. 
I struggle to see where the EFL are to blame in that beyond a change in accounting policy.  

For me, the least you can ask of any owner is they leave the club in no worse state than they find it.
If Mel doesn't meet that standard, his whole ownership has been a disaster.
No buts, no excuses.

Also wants to drop grealish & play Rashford ? 

He wants to play 3 holding midfielders when 2 is probably one too many…interesting ?

If we are still contracted to pay Rooney £90k p.w. for 2 years, then Sam Rush really has got a lot to answer for. Jeez.

But this has all been self induced.... just do the accounts properly, do it the same as everyone else, why give them the ammunition in the first place. 

But this has all been self induced.... just do the accounts properly, do it the same as everyone else, why give them the ammunition in the first place. 

I appreciate that is what he has tried to do, but he has failed with that miserably. We used almost no acumen in the market and spent like crazy to try and compete. We have been leap frogged by most of the clubs in the league who dont have parachute payments despite spending more than them and they havent had to play with their accounting.  
Its sad to see because Mel does care... he and pearce are just not very good at running a football club unfortunately.

But this has all been self induced.... just do the accounts properly, do it the same as everyone else, why give them the ammunition in the first place. 

When Mel bought the majority share of the club we we had finished third, had a manager proven at a higher level, a young hungry squad with some real talent. 
We finished last season and would have been relegated if everyone started on the same points, a talentless squad made up of over hyped academy players and far past it senior players. The club no longer owns its stadium and we have a manager with no experience and one of the worst records in recent history. 
To me that is terrible and we have the right to question that. 
I struggle to see where the EFL are to blame in that beyond a change in accounting policy.  

I appreciate that is what he has tried to do, but he has failed with that miserably. We used almost no acumen in the market and spent like crazy to try and compete. We have been leap frogged by most of the clubs in the league who dont have parachute payments despite spending more than them and they havent had to play with their accounting.  
Its sad to see because Mel does care... he and pearce are just not very good at running a football club unfortunately.

But this has all been self induced.... just do the accounts properly, do it the same as everyone else, why give them the ammunition in the first place. 

I’m astonished by the title of this thread. I haven’t read the opening post because of editorial reasons ? but to me, to not blame the guardian of this football club is laughable.
I assume he thought we would be in the Premier League by now and out of the EFL’s jurisdiction so sailing close to the wind would have little or no consequences. 
I have no doubt Morris had very good intentions for this club and I’ll hold my hands up, I truly believed his ownership/leadership was a good thing, but then, I was under the impression the club would be run in a responsible manner. How wrong was I ? 
Say what you like about goalposts being shifted by the EFL, but if we’d compiled our accounts like the majority of other clubs instead of being smart arses, discovering loopholes and congratulating ourselves on how clever we’d been, this catastrophe (and that’s what it is) would have been avoided. 
Remember the times Morris couldn’t keep his trap shut ? Appearing at forums, TalkSport, EMT, taking in all the adulation of the supporters ? Now we’re up the creek not a duckin’ peep out of the bloke.
Don’t blame Morris an Pearce ? The sooner they’ve gone the better this club will be, our reputation is shot to pieces and the playing side of things ? Don’t get me started on that and it’s down to two people who, it transpires, aren’t as clever as they think they are.

Maybe its just me but I can't sit here and cry about the EFL after the way we've been operating for the past few years. 
Rolled the dice, failed multiple promotion attempts and have tried loophole after loophole to try and straighten out since. How many non-parachute payment clubs were giving Darren Bent (and the rest) tens of thousands a week in this division? Sold their stadium to themselves? Signed a player through a sponsorship deal? Registered player amortisation different to the required standard? 
I just can't sit here and say we've tried our best to avoid this mess, its been coming. 
If that view makes me less of a Derby fan than the super supporters are, so be it. I'll support the club where ever it ends up but I'm not going to lie about its shady activity post 2014. 
 

Quite honestly a portion of blame needs to be put at the door of all the parties involved. The EFL for pursuing a vendetta and not doing their job competently in the first place leading to post facto rules being imposed upon us- hounding us through the courts until they eventually got their judgement whilst letting more egregious cases in the past sail onto the premier league. 
However, pretending Mel and Pearce are blameless in this is borderline lobotomy thinking. They've been playing around with the accounts because we've been spending money we haven't really got and it's led us to this point of absolute financial disaster that is crippling the club. At the same time, Morris has managed to alienate big players in the league and our governing body to the point they're sending out press releases with alternative fixture lists of us going down. It's just further representation of how absolutely dire that man's ownership of this club has been. 

we can all say duck the efl and yes they're a poorly run organisation that are going off the rails but Mel's also put us into this position. I imagine it's become an absolute battle of wills and the collateral damage is the financial and football health of this institution. 

I appreciate that is what he has tried to do, but he has failed with that miserably. We used almost no acumen in the market and spent like crazy to try and compete. We have been leap frogged by most of the clubs in the league who dont have parachute payments despite spending more than them and they havent had to play with their accounting.  
Its sad to see because Mel does care... he and pearce are just not very good at running a football club unfortunately.

When Mel bought the majority share of the club we we had finished third, had a manager proven at a higher level, a young hungry squad with some real talent. 
We finished last season and would have been relegated if everyone started on the same points, a talentless squad made up of over hyped academy players and far past it senior players. The club no longer owns its stadium and we have a manager with no experience and one of the worst records in recent history. 
To me that is terrible and we have the right to question that. 
I struggle to see where the EFL are to blame in that beyond a change in accounting policy.  

I appreciate that is what he has tried to do, but he has failed with that miserably. We used almost no acumen in the market and spent like crazy to try and compete. We have been leap frogged by most of the clubs in the league who dont have parachute payments despite spending more than them and they havent had to play with their accounting.  
Its sad to see because Mel does care... he and pearce are just not very good at running a football club unfortunately.

But this has all been self induced.... just do the accounts properly, do it the same as everyone else, why give them the ammunition in the first place. 

When Mel bought the majority share of the club we we had finished third, had a manager proven at a higher level, a young hungry squad with some real talent. 
We finished last season and would have been relegated if everyone started on the same points, a talentless squad made up of over hyped academy players and far past it senior players. The club no longer owns its stadium and we have a manager with no experience and one of the worst records in recent history. 
To me that is terrible and we have the right to question that. 
I struggle to see where the EFL are to blame in that beyond a change in accounting policy.  

Predictably this thread has now descended into the tired and hackneyed one set of factions saying ok who would do a better job than Rooney, the other side then proposing a list of candidate names which then get poo pooed one by one by the first set of factions. 
The same "arguments" were used to defend Cocu I recall before his demise when he was having an equally appalling run of results. 
I challenge anyone to say that Rooney has got the best out of the players at his disposal and I also challenge anyone to say which ones of the youth or breakthrough players have progressed under him.
Tough lesson I learnt in business many years ago was that if your bosses don't think you're getting the best out of the staff you have currently then you either are removed from your job or if you go cap in hand asking for extra resources then you will be told in no uncertain terms that you need to start showing that you can manage the resources you currently have before this is even countenanced which if it doesn't transpire will then lead to you being removed from your job. 
Don't see why this should be any different for Rooney and quite frankly he's only survived due to Mel's protracted efforts at selling the club.

that's because you haven't been on here long enough.....

It’s remarkable that in one transfer window under this ownership and leadership, we spent more than Borussia Dortmund.
We’ve broken our transfer record. Twice.
While the legality of what we have done is up for debate, the fact it was a high stakes gamble is not. We had half a decade to get promoted before the losses caught up with us, and we didn’t get promoted.
 
The main reason we are in this mess is that vast sums of money has been spent on players, management and compensation, none of which has made the footballing side of the club any better than it was in 2014. It’s kept us competitive for most of that time, granted, but it’s a hopelessly inefficient way of doing it fraught with risk.
Just because the EFL have behaved abhorrently does not mean that we can’t look inward and acknowledge the reckless mismanagement that has squandered tens of millions of pounds for zero gain.

When Mel bought the majority share of the club we we had finished third, had a manager proven at a higher level, a young hungry squad with some real talent. 
We finished last season and would have been relegated if everyone started on the same points, a talentless squad made up of over hyped academy players and far past it senior players. The club no longer owns its stadium and we have a manager with no experience and one of the worst records in recent history. 
To me that is terrible and we have the right to question that. 
I struggle to see where the EFL are to blame in that beyond a change in accounting policy.