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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from goldstar in Keogh Sacked   
    There will be no grounds for appeal. The insurance against injury will be a key component of a players contract.  It's the clubs protection against being saddled with the salary of a highly paid player with a long term injury. Within the players contract will be a series of stipulations about what they can and can't do in line with the insurance policy. A set of conditions if you will. Players will sign up to them in their own contract in order to protect the club. Exclusions to cover will be in there...things like bungee jumping, skiing, riding a motorbike. All activities that are considered to have a higher than normal risk of injury if participated in. There will also undoubtedly be a clause for knowingly and wilfully putting themselves at risk such as getting in car with people know to be intoxicated. 
    Now put aside the drink driving incident and assume Keogh went off on a family holiday skiing and bust all his knee. Should the club be saddled with the cost for his indiscretions. No because it was very clear what they can and can't do. It will have been very very very clear in the contract he signed that agreed to pay him £25k per week. He broke the terms of his contract resulting in additional none insured costs to Derby of salary, medical and rehabilitation costs.
    Whilst the other clowns were very lucky not have injured themselves and incurred the same wrath I expect that it is almost impossible to link drink driving out of the work place to 'gross misconduct' as they weren't at work.
    It's an unfortunate consequence of an abhorrent incident on all parts.
    Had they sacked the other two I suspect they would be in court for unfair dismissal. However Keogh appears to be a clear incident of gross misconduct that would be stipulated in his contract. 
    In my opinion they have been generous in offering him reduced terms to stay on. The good will would appear to be there yet no reciprocated. He has been paid the best part of £7million by this club over the last few years. To be permitted to stay on half a million pounds per year when you have clearly breached your contract can only be considered generous.
    The whole incident is shameful. The handling has been poor - in particularly the statement on the outcome - although I don't think I have seen anything official from DCFC as yet.
    The full story never gets revealed as it is bound by confidentiality clauses and so newspapers, ITK's and other players will attempt to fill in the blanks. Some with truth. Some fallacy.
    His actions represent gross misconduct based on his contract and his inability to perform his job due to his own poor decisions. That couldn't be clearer.
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from angieram in Keogh Sacked   
    There will be no grounds for appeal. The insurance against injury will be a key component of a players contract.  It's the clubs protection against being saddled with the salary of a highly paid player with a long term injury. Within the players contract will be a series of stipulations about what they can and can't do in line with the insurance policy. A set of conditions if you will. Players will sign up to them in their own contract in order to protect the club. Exclusions to cover will be in there...things like bungee jumping, skiing, riding a motorbike. All activities that are considered to have a higher than normal risk of injury if participated in. There will also undoubtedly be a clause for knowingly and wilfully putting themselves at risk such as getting in car with people know to be intoxicated. 
    Now put aside the drink driving incident and assume Keogh went off on a family holiday skiing and bust all his knee. Should the club be saddled with the cost for his indiscretions. No because it was very clear what they can and can't do. It will have been very very very clear in the contract he signed that agreed to pay him £25k per week. He broke the terms of his contract resulting in additional none insured costs to Derby of salary, medical and rehabilitation costs.
    Whilst the other clowns were very lucky not have injured themselves and incurred the same wrath I expect that it is almost impossible to link drink driving out of the work place to 'gross misconduct' as they weren't at work.
    It's an unfortunate consequence of an abhorrent incident on all parts.
    Had they sacked the other two I suspect they would be in court for unfair dismissal. However Keogh appears to be a clear incident of gross misconduct that would be stipulated in his contract. 
    In my opinion they have been generous in offering him reduced terms to stay on. The good will would appear to be there yet no reciprocated. He has been paid the best part of £7million by this club over the last few years. To be permitted to stay on half a million pounds per year when you have clearly breached your contract can only be considered generous.
    The whole incident is shameful. The handling has been poor - in particularly the statement on the outcome - although I don't think I have seen anything official from DCFC as yet.
    The full story never gets revealed as it is bound by confidentiality clauses and so newspapers, ITK's and other players will attempt to fill in the blanks. Some with truth. Some fallacy.
    His actions represent gross misconduct based on his contract and his inability to perform his job due to his own poor decisions. That couldn't be clearer.
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    gccrowdpleaser reacted to AndyinLiverpool in Keogh Sacked   
    A lot of lawyers on here today. 
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    gccrowdpleaser reacted to ThePrisoner in Keogh Sacked   
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    gccrowdpleaser reacted to David in Wigan Athletic (H) Match Thread   
    Three points, job done. Not a classic, but if anyone deserved the 3 points it was Derby. Bring on Hull!
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    gccrowdpleaser reacted to ariotofmyown in Wigan Athletic (H) Match Thread   
    4 points off top 6 now without playing that well most of season. Cocu defintely needs to go and our squad is rubbish yeah? You bunch of twits.
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from 86 Schmokes & a Pancake in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    One of the most telling things here is that people seem to be looking at football owners, managers, clubs and players as some kind of up holder of moral standards and absolute role model. 
    There in lies the problem!
    If you are looking at the club as that then you are right to be outraged! BUT...your moral compass and life values are also way off! 
    Football is ruled by money. There are numerous instances and allegations of corruption, assault, drink driving, drug taking, match fixing and even worse. 
    So don't look at Derby County to uphold some moral code that is no existent and don't hold any footballer as a role model for your kids. 
    Look at almost every other instance of drink driving and the club acted with a fine after the court hearing.
    Rooney, Yaya Toure, Roberto Firminho, Hugo Loris  - all convicted and all fined by their club.
    Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Cannavaro, Mourinho - all convicted of tax fraud.
    Troy Deeney - prison time for assault.
    This isn't a game full of Angel's and role models. It's a game. Morally bankrupt but nevertheless we love it. See it for what it is.
     
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from ariotofmyown in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    One of the most telling things here is that people seem to be looking at football owners, managers, clubs and players as some kind of up holder of moral standards and absolute role model. 
    There in lies the problem!
    If you are looking at the club as that then you are right to be outraged! BUT...your moral compass and life values are also way off! 
    Football is ruled by money. There are numerous instances and allegations of corruption, assault, drink driving, drug taking, match fixing and even worse. 
    So don't look at Derby County to uphold some moral code that is no existent and don't hold any footballer as a role model for your kids. 
    Look at almost every other instance of drink driving and the club acted with a fine after the court hearing.
    Rooney, Yaya Toure, Roberto Firminho, Hugo Loris  - all convicted and all fined by their club.
    Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Cannavaro, Mourinho - all convicted of tax fraud.
    Troy Deeney - prison time for assault.
    This isn't a game full of Angel's and role models. It's a game. Morally bankrupt but nevertheless we love it. See it for what it is.
     
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from angieram in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    Loris, Rooney and Yaya Toure all played the next game after being caught drink driving. All Premier League players and at the time at Spurs, Everton and City. The Derby response is as per that of other clubs. All sorts of things get taken into account such as previous behaviour etc and the club responds. If you don't agree with it, which I don't, then that is up to you. But how Derby have handled it is in line with plenty of other clubs. I don't see this as having done huge damage to the club, Mel or anything else. It's been handled as per other clubs. The only difference this time is that as a fan of the club you have a greater emotional involvement. 
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from Phoenix in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    Loris, Rooney and Yaya Toure all played the next game after being caught drink driving. All Premier League players and at the time at Spurs, Everton and City. The Derby response is as per that of other clubs. All sorts of things get taken into account such as previous behaviour etc and the club responds. If you don't agree with it, which I don't, then that is up to you. But how Derby have handled it is in line with plenty of other clubs. I don't see this as having done huge damage to the club, Mel or anything else. It's been handled as per other clubs. The only difference this time is that as a fan of the club you have a greater emotional involvement. 
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from mwram1973 in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    One of the most telling things here is that people seem to be looking at football owners, managers, clubs and players as some kind of up holder of moral standards and absolute role model. 
    There in lies the problem!
    If you are looking at the club as that then you are right to be outraged! BUT...your moral compass and life values are also way off! 
    Football is ruled by money. There are numerous instances and allegations of corruption, assault, drink driving, drug taking, match fixing and even worse. 
    So don't look at Derby County to uphold some moral code that is no existent and don't hold any footballer as a role model for your kids. 
    Look at almost every other instance of drink driving and the club acted with a fine after the court hearing.
    Rooney, Yaya Toure, Roberto Firminho, Hugo Loris  - all convicted and all fined by their club.
    Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Cannavaro, Mourinho - all convicted of tax fraud.
    Troy Deeney - prison time for assault.
    This isn't a game full of Angel's and role models. It's a game. Morally bankrupt but nevertheless we love it. See it for what it is.
     
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from Squid in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    One of the most telling things here is that people seem to be looking at football owners, managers, clubs and players as some kind of up holder of moral standards and absolute role model. 
    There in lies the problem!
    If you are looking at the club as that then you are right to be outraged! BUT...your moral compass and life values are also way off! 
    Football is ruled by money. There are numerous instances and allegations of corruption, assault, drink driving, drug taking, match fixing and even worse. 
    So don't look at Derby County to uphold some moral code that is no existent and don't hold any footballer as a role model for your kids. 
    Look at almost every other instance of drink driving and the club acted with a fine after the court hearing.
    Rooney, Yaya Toure, Roberto Firminho, Hugo Loris  - all convicted and all fined by their club.
    Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Cannavaro, Mourinho - all convicted of tax fraud.
    Troy Deeney - prison time for assault.
    This isn't a game full of Angel's and role models. It's a game. Morally bankrupt but nevertheless we love it. See it for what it is.
     
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from chewbacca in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    One of the most telling things here is that people seem to be looking at football owners, managers, clubs and players as some kind of up holder of moral standards and absolute role model. 
    There in lies the problem!
    If you are looking at the club as that then you are right to be outraged! BUT...your moral compass and life values are also way off! 
    Football is ruled by money. There are numerous instances and allegations of corruption, assault, drink driving, drug taking, match fixing and even worse. 
    So don't look at Derby County to uphold some moral code that is no existent and don't hold any footballer as a role model for your kids. 
    Look at almost every other instance of drink driving and the club acted with a fine after the court hearing.
    Rooney, Yaya Toure, Roberto Firminho, Hugo Loris  - all convicted and all fined by their club.
    Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Cannavaro, Mourinho - all convicted of tax fraud.
    Troy Deeney - prison time for assault.
    This isn't a game full of Angel's and role models. It's a game. Morally bankrupt but nevertheless we love it. See it for what it is.
     
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    gccrowdpleaser reacted to Sexydadbod in bye   
    Take care if you are being serious, I imagine lots of others are close to doing the same. Some things are more important than football, especially to Derby fans especially who have been victims of drink driving or know of people who have, it hits home and will resurface dark memories.
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    gccrowdpleaser reacted to DCFC Ram in bye   
    Just a quick cheerio from me.
    I've enjoyed reading and contributing to this forum, the Derby Craic and the old NEP one over many years.
    I'll see out this season as my last as a DCFC season ticket holder.
    I'll not be supporting Derby County at the remaining games but I dohope to enjoy the matches whoever Derby County is playing.
    I was at Barnsley tonight.
    I cannot support that team selection decision and they 2 players are not 'one of my own.'
    I do not want to be associated with a club that is morally bankrupt. And it is and I won't.
    So - thanks to all on here and the other forums for the Derby chat over many years.
    over and out for the forseeable future at least
     
     
     
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from BathRam72 in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    Loris, Rooney and Yaya Toure all played the next game after being caught drink driving. All Premier League players and at the time at Spurs, Everton and City. The Derby response is as per that of other clubs. All sorts of things get taken into account such as previous behaviour etc and the club responds. If you don't agree with it, which I don't, then that is up to you. But how Derby have handled it is in line with plenty of other clubs. I don't see this as having done huge damage to the club, Mel or anything else. It's been handled as per other clubs. The only difference this time is that as a fan of the club you have a greater emotional involvement. 
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from Steve How Hard? in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    Loris, Rooney and Yaya Toure all played the next game after being caught drink driving. All Premier League players and at the time at Spurs, Everton and City. The Derby response is as per that of other clubs. All sorts of things get taken into account such as previous behaviour etc and the club responds. If you don't agree with it, which I don't, then that is up to you. But how Derby have handled it is in line with plenty of other clubs. I don't see this as having done huge damage to the club, Mel or anything else. It's been handled as per other clubs. The only difference this time is that as a fan of the club you have a greater emotional involvement. 
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from SKRam in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    Loris, Rooney and Yaya Toure all played the next game after being caught drink driving. All Premier League players and at the time at Spurs, Everton and City. The Derby response is as per that of other clubs. All sorts of things get taken into account such as previous behaviour etc and the club responds. If you don't agree with it, which I don't, then that is up to you. But how Derby have handled it is in line with plenty of other clubs. I don't see this as having done huge damage to the club, Mel or anything else. It's been handled as per other clubs. The only difference this time is that as a fan of the club you have a greater emotional involvement. 
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from Finch in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    Loris, Rooney and Yaya Toure all played the next game after being caught drink driving. All Premier League players and at the time at Spurs, Everton and City. The Derby response is as per that of other clubs. All sorts of things get taken into account such as previous behaviour etc and the club responds. If you don't agree with it, which I don't, then that is up to you. But how Derby have handled it is in line with plenty of other clubs. I don't see this as having done huge damage to the club, Mel or anything else. It's been handled as per other clubs. The only difference this time is that as a fan of the club you have a greater emotional involvement. 
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from IslandExile in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    Loris, Rooney and Yaya Toure all played the next game after being caught drink driving. All Premier League players and at the time at Spurs, Everton and City. The Derby response is as per that of other clubs. All sorts of things get taken into account such as previous behaviour etc and the club responds. If you don't agree with it, which I don't, then that is up to you. But how Derby have handled it is in line with plenty of other clubs. I don't see this as having done huge damage to the club, Mel or anything else. It's been handled as per other clubs. The only difference this time is that as a fan of the club you have a greater emotional involvement. 
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from Ken Tram in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    Loris, Rooney and Yaya Toure all played the next game after being caught drink driving. All Premier League players and at the time at Spurs, Everton and City. The Derby response is as per that of other clubs. All sorts of things get taken into account such as previous behaviour etc and the club responds. If you don't agree with it, which I don't, then that is up to you. But how Derby have handled it is in line with plenty of other clubs. I don't see this as having done huge damage to the club, Mel or anything else. It's been handled as per other clubs. The only difference this time is that as a fan of the club you have a greater emotional involvement. 
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    gccrowdpleaser got a reaction from AbuDerbyDave in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    Loris, Rooney and Yaya Toure all played the next game after being caught drink driving. All Premier League players and at the time at Spurs, Everton and City. The Derby response is as per that of other clubs. All sorts of things get taken into account such as previous behaviour etc and the club responds. If you don't agree with it, which I don't, then that is up to you. But how Derby have handled it is in line with plenty of other clubs. I don't see this as having done huge damage to the club, Mel or anything else. It's been handled as per other clubs. The only difference this time is that as a fan of the club you have a greater emotional involvement. 
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    gccrowdpleaser reacted to DarkFruitsRam7 in Morris has bought shame on himself tonight   
    Deary me. Deary, deary me.
    If Mel had blocked the decision to play them, people would be complaining that he’s meddling too much.
    Now that Cocu has welcomed them back into the fold, I’m giving them my full support. He’s our manager and we owe him our backing. 
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    gccrowdpleaser reacted to Kernow in If Lawrence and Bennett play......?   
    More blame for Mel than Cocu for choosing them?
    You can't pick and choose when an owner can or can't impact a manager's decision to play certain players.
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    gccrowdpleaser reacted to Boycie in If Lawrence and Bennett play......?   
    Isn’t it Cocu’s choice?
    Are we now saying Mel CAN pick the team?
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