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200 million is nothing in Premier League terms, to be totally honest.
200 mill amounts to about 5 or 6 players of Prem calibre in today's market. Given that Forest were bottom of the Championship when Cooper took over, and upon promotion had 5 or 6 of their first-11 return to their parent clubs from loan, I think that splashing that amount of cash was always an inevitability if they wanted to have even the slightest hope of staying up.
It's all relative.
I think that the volume of signings is far more of an eyebrow raiser than the value of them, personally.
 As much as it pains me, I think that Cooper is doing very well indeed over there... though they're certainly not out of the woods yet. 

200 million is nothing in Premier League terms, to be totally honest.
200 mill amounts to about 5 or 6 players of Prem calibre in today's market. Given that Forest were bottom of the Championship when Cooper took over, and upon promotion had 5 or 6 of their first-11 return to their parent clubs from loan, I think that splashing that amount of cash was always an inevitability if they wanted to have even the slightest hope of staying up.
It's all relative.
I think that the volume of signings is far more of an eyebrow raiser than the value of them, personally.
 As much as it pains me, I think that Cooper is doing very well indeed over there... though they're certainly not out of the woods yet. 

I think I must be the only person besides the referee himself who believes that a yellow for both was the right decision. 

Agree that feigning injury should be punished. I hope I've not said anything to suggest otherwise. 
Also don't think I've ever said that Samba should have gone unpunished for his behaviour after the penalty was scored. I'm simply saying that the ref was correct to take no action against him for joining the fracas that followed Ravel's sending off - there were several players involved in that, all goading each other. I could be wrong but I don't think that using verbals to get a rise out of an opponent is against the rues, provided it's only verbals and nothing physical. The player on the receiving end of said goading should be the better man and rise above it like a professional, in my opinion. 
The point that adrenaline is high and these things are more likely to happen in circumstances like that is not one that I disagree with, but it applies equally to all players on both sides, so I'm not sure of its relevance. 

H e missed a sitter first half. 

Don't agree that players should be booked or punished for "trying to get a rise out of the opposition" - in this case Samba and Colback. If you're a professional, you simply don't rise to it. They're not children, they're grown adults who are supposed to be at work. 

I would argue that being inclined to lay somebody out is ungentlemanly conduct. 

Don't agree that players should be booked or punished for "trying to get a rise out of the opposition" - in this case Samba and Colback. If you're a professional, you simply don't rise to it. They're not children, they're grown adults who are supposed to be at work. 

He is entitled to give an opinion on the match today. They've had a good season and given it plenty, but there were a lot of poor performances today. 
Climb down from that high horse. 

Sue the ref and the EFL for this !

Forgive my possible stupidity, but perhaps somebody can enlighten me... 
If we owe 30 odd million in unpaid monies to HMRC... why should they write that money off/reduce the debt? I'm looking for answers that don't resort to whataboutery please. I'm not interested in "well Amazon/Starbucks/whoever don't pay their taxes so why should we?" or anything like that (I mean, for starters, two wrongs don't make a right...). What I want to know is - from the perspective of a non-Rams-supporting everyday taxpayer, why should their tax money be used to prop up a football club that they have no association with, and couldn't care less if it went out of existence? Wouldn't that money be better spent on education or healthcare? Why should any of us continue to play fair and pay our fair share, if DCFC won't/don't? 
Surely if you're going to advocate and hope for DCFC to have their unpaid taxes ignored, then you cannot ever take a moral position against any other corporation not paying their taxes, ever again? 
If I've got this completely wrapped around my neck then I do apologise, but I'd also like to understand the situation a little better so please don't go too hard on me if I'm just being dumb - enlighten me instead! ?

My gut feeling is there's allot of p*** and wind in these stories of Boro and Wycombe taking legal action, designed to put off potential buyers and drive us into liquidation. I don't believe they have a snowball in hells chance of winning a legal case, but tying us down in legal battles is another way of sucking us dry. 
This is war. Make no mistake about it. 

Typical England... same old same old England.
"We got to a final" - yes, we did... but look at how Italy got to the final, beating Spain and Belgium, and then look at how we did it. Credit where it's due, we beat Ukraine and Denmark and managed to play out a goalless draw with a pub side from Scotland, and beat one of the worst Germany sides you've seen in years... so, credit for that England, sure. But really Italy deserve this FAR more than we do, and honestly if we'd have won the tournament tonight on penalties I think we'd have absolutely robbed them.
Once again, as soon as we come up against anybody half decent - we lose. The nation gets a massive boner over the team because "we're in a final" or "we're in a semi final", but we've got there really by getting lucky and being drawn against a bunch of far inferior teams which allows us to basically walk our way in to the latter stages, allows us to flatter to deceive, makes us look better than we actually are. It happened in the world cup and it happened again here. If we'd have played Italy, Belgium, Spain or France in the round of 16 we'd have been out ages ago.
On to the game itself... we had TWO shots on target. TWO. One of those came from our LEFT BACK.. our LEFT ducking BACK. A wealth of attacking talent, all millionaires, all star names for their clubs, and it's our left back who's getting the goal. Can anybody tell me who got our other shot on target, without googling it? I actually have no idea. It was probably a header from a corner. That's the way this England team plays... defend as though you believe the other team is better than you are, as if you're scared of them, despite the fact that any one of your players could walk in to the Danish side (for example), and then hope to grab a cheeky goal from a corner or an own goal or a penalty. It's ducking boring, it's ducking embarrassing, and it's ducking cowardly.
WHY ON EARTH was Saka expected to take that final penalty when there's seasoned and senior pros in the side who could have volunteered ahead of him? Where's our apparent golden boy Raheem Sterling? Didn't he fancy it?
Our supposed messiah of a manager made 2 substitutions with about 30 seconds to go, which I can only assume was so that those players could take a penalty... and they both missed. Bravo, Gareth. Bravo. I honestly feel really sorry for Jordan Pickford.
Anyone else notice that all 3 players who missed, and one for Italy in Jorginho, all took some elaborate run-up? Just run up to the ball and put your ducking laces through it for ducks sake.
It's boring! Can we not play like we want to win for once, rather than like we're just trying not to lose? Can we not HAVE A ducking GO?!
Please, somebody, tell me why I should believe that this England team are anything other than lucky to get this far in the first place, and why I should believe that we have any hope of doing well, or even playing anything remotely resembling entertaining football, at next years World Cup.

100%. Was the same at the World Cup too. 
And then the occasion, the spectacle of being in a final, is used as an excuse to cover up the fact that we're just not that good at football tbh. 
I think that it's possible to separate the football itself, as in; "are we actually any good?", from the enjoyment of getting far in a tournament, as in; "we're in a final!"... but it seems to me that most people get those two things conflated with each each other. 

Typical England... same old same old England.
"We got to a final" - yes, we did... but look at how Italy got to the final, beating Spain and Belgium, and then look at how we did it. Credit where it's due, we beat Ukraine and Denmark and managed to play out a goalless draw with a pub side from Scotland, and beat one of the worst Germany sides you've seen in years... so, credit for that England, sure. But really Italy deserve this FAR more than we do, and honestly if we'd have won the tournament tonight on penalties I think we'd have absolutely robbed them.
Once again, as soon as we come up against anybody half decent - we lose. The nation gets a massive boner over the team because "we're in a final" or "we're in a semi final", but we've got there really by getting lucky and being drawn against a bunch of far inferior teams which allows us to basically walk our way in to the latter stages, allows us to flatter to deceive, makes us look better than we actually are. It happened in the world cup and it happened again here. If we'd have played Italy, Belgium, Spain or France in the round of 16 we'd have been out ages ago.
On to the game itself... we had TWO shots on target. TWO. One of those came from our LEFT BACK.. our LEFT ducking BACK. A wealth of attacking talent, all millionaires, all star names for their clubs, and it's our left back who's getting the goal. Can anybody tell me who got our other shot on target, without googling it? I actually have no idea. It was probably a header from a corner. That's the way this England team plays... defend as though you believe the other team is better than you are, as if you're scared of them, despite the fact that any one of your players could walk in to the Danish side (for example), and then hope to grab a cheeky goal from a corner or an own goal or a penalty. It's ducking boring, it's ducking embarrassing, and it's ducking cowardly.
WHY ON EARTH was Saka expected to take that final penalty when there's seasoned and senior pros in the side who could have volunteered ahead of him? Where's our apparent golden boy Raheem Sterling? Didn't he fancy it?
Our supposed messiah of a manager made 2 substitutions with about 30 seconds to go, which I can only assume was so that those players could take a penalty... and they both missed. Bravo, Gareth. Bravo. I honestly feel really sorry for Jordan Pickford.
Anyone else notice that all 3 players who missed, and one for Italy in Jorginho, all took some elaborate run-up? Just run up to the ball and put your ducking laces through it for ducks sake.
It's boring! Can we not play like we want to win for once, rather than like we're just trying not to lose? Can we not HAVE A ducking GO?!
Please, somebody, tell me why I should believe that this England team are anything other than lucky to get this far in the first place, and why I should believe that we have any hope of doing well, or even playing anything remotely resembling entertaining football, at next years World Cup.

Everyone gets over excited when we beat rubbish. Honestly with our squad we should have out our group to the sword and we didn't. Won't change till Southgate is on. Picking Mount over Grealish will never make sense.
 

100%. Was the same at the World Cup too. 
And then the occasion, the spectacle of being in a final, is used as an excuse to cover up the fact that we're just not that good at football tbh. 
I think that it's possible to separate the football itself, as in; "are we actually any good?", from the enjoyment of getting far in a tournament, as in; "we're in a final!"... but it seems to me that most people get those two things conflated with each each other. 

Typical England... same old same old England.
"We got to a final" - yes, we did... but look at how Italy got to the final, beating Spain and Belgium, and then look at how we did it. Credit where it's due, we beat Ukraine and Denmark and managed to play out a goalless draw with a pub side from Scotland, and beat one of the worst Germany sides you've seen in years... so, credit for that England, sure. But really Italy deserve this FAR more than we do, and honestly if we'd have won the tournament tonight on penalties I think we'd have absolutely robbed them.
Once again, as soon as we come up against anybody half decent - we lose. The nation gets a massive boner over the team because "we're in a final" or "we're in a semi final", but we've got there really by getting lucky and being drawn against a bunch of far inferior teams which allows us to basically walk our way in to the latter stages, allows us to flatter to deceive, makes us look better than we actually are. It happened in the world cup and it happened again here. If we'd have played Italy, Belgium, Spain or France in the round of 16 we'd have been out ages ago.
On to the game itself... we had TWO shots on target. TWO. One of those came from our LEFT BACK.. our LEFT ducking BACK. A wealth of attacking talent, all millionaires, all star names for their clubs, and it's our left back who's getting the goal. Can anybody tell me who got our other shot on target, without googling it? I actually have no idea. It was probably a header from a corner. That's the way this England team plays... defend as though you believe the other team is better than you are, as if you're scared of them, despite the fact that any one of your players could walk in to the Danish side (for example), and then hope to grab a cheeky goal from a corner or an own goal or a penalty. It's ducking boring, it's ducking embarrassing, and it's ducking cowardly.
WHY ON EARTH was Saka expected to take that final penalty when there's seasoned and senior pros in the side who could have volunteered ahead of him? Where's our apparent golden boy Raheem Sterling? Didn't he fancy it?
Our supposed messiah of a manager made 2 substitutions with about 30 seconds to go, which I can only assume was so that those players could take a penalty... and they both missed. Bravo, Gareth. Bravo. I honestly feel really sorry for Jordan Pickford.
Anyone else notice that all 3 players who missed, and one for Italy in Jorginho, all took some elaborate run-up? Just run up to the ball and put your ducking laces through it for ducks sake.
It's boring! Can we not play like we want to win for once, rather than like we're just trying not to lose? Can we not HAVE A ducking GO?!
Please, somebody, tell me why I should believe that this England team are anything other than lucky to get this far in the first place, and why I should believe that we have any hope of doing well, or even playing anything remotely resembling entertaining football, at next years World Cup.

This is basically it. The club aren't saying that though... they're making out like it's a moral thing and that they won't "tolerate" such actions, which makes them look like a bunch of ducking hypocritical Bamfords when you take the Lawrence/Bennett situation in to account in your thinking tbh. 

Derby County will win a legal case hands down IMO.
Feels morally wrong that because two other individuals can continue kicking a ball, and thus have an asset value (I dont believe asset value can ever be bought up as an argument here, but fulfillment of contract absolutely can), their punishment is dealt with in a separately manner.
Derby's statement on this matter about dealing with individuals who out others at risk is sheer embarrassment for the club. On face value, the offence committed by the two is of greater severity and that's all the general public/media will care about. It will them put us in a very bad light again.
Its another poor handling of the situation for me.

Do I know what the Gross misconduct is?. Are you being serious, the whole world knows what it is. 

So let’s just take your view here then for arguments sense, do you really believe the drivers did not commit Gross Misconduct because based on this punishment and your rationale that’s what you are saying. And tell me what illegal behaviour Keogh committed ? Nothing, there is no offence at all which is why he was not detained or prosecuted.
The behaviour of the club cannot be defended in my opinion, either sack them all or sack none of them. I have a little knowledge of employment law and I mean a little and if he goes to court Keogh wins hands down and could argue he has been treated differently based on age and would most likely win this by way of a settlement in excess of what he is already owed with damages.
 

Oh right so they actually WILL "tolerate any of their players or staff behaving in a manner which puts themselves, their colleagues, and members of the general public at risk of injury or worse, or which brings them into disrepute"?

A lot of people with a moral compass that isn't broken and all. 

I honestly would respect it a lot more if they were just honest and said "basically he's old AF, injured for 14 months, will probably never be the same player again and he's going to cost us a lot of money in wasted wages. The other 2 can hopefully be re-sold and can still play a part for us, it'd be too expensive to get rid of them and/or replace them, so we're less bothered, this has everything to do with money and football and nothing to do with morals" 
Instead, they've gone all high-horse about it and are trying to take some sort of ducked up moral high-ground and hoping we're too stupid to go "Eh?! What about Lawrence and Bennett who actually drove the cars!?" 
?

Get injured by your colleague driving pissed = take big wage reduction or get sacked. 
Drive pissed and injure your colleague = slap on the wrist then crack on as normal.