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Fine, lets say Elder is better than Roberts. My original point was the transfers were overall better last summer than they were this summer. Wouldn't you agree?

He shouldn’t be on the ball that much. He should be playing at the base of a midfield 3, freeing Hourihane and Bird from defensive duty’s. Don’t care what anyone says, Hourihane and Bird are the best two midfielders in the league if played the correct way. 

He shouldn’t be on the ball that much. He should be playing at the base of a midfield 3, freeing Hourihane and Bird from defensive duty’s. Don’t care what anyone says, Hourihane and Bird are the best two midfielders in the league if played the correct way. 

He shouldn’t be on the ball that much. He should be playing at the base of a midfield 3, freeing Hourihane and Bird from defensive duty’s. Don’t care what anyone says, Hourihane and Bird are the best two midfielders in the league if played the correct way. 

He shouldn’t be on the ball that much. He should be playing at the base of a midfield 3, freeing Hourihane and Bird from defensive duty’s. Don’t care what anyone says, Hourihane and Bird are the best two midfielders in the league if played the correct way. 

He shouldn’t be on the ball that much. He should be playing at the base of a midfield 3, freeing Hourihane and Bird from defensive duty’s. Don’t care what anyone says, Hourihane and Bird are the best two midfielders in the league if played the correct way. 

Bolton have been really bad though. Even with 10 men they've been there for the taking at times.

And how would you stop players switching off in games? Maybe through coaching perhaps? by the coach? You know the job they're paid to do. 
It's not even true our players switch off anyway. Considering we got the majority of our players from the Championship, you're saying they just instantly lost they ability to stay switched on as soon as they got here? 

We've lost back to back league games for the 3rd TIME UNDER WARNE.
We are 2nd in the table despite having to deal with a lack of attacking COACHING.
Yes, we would all like to see more flair, more attacking football, but we just don't have the MANAGER for it atm, our financial restrictions have limited US TO HAVING THE BEST SQUAD IN THE DIVISION and more importantly, IMO, who we were able to keep hold of.
I really wish we had played a 5 at the back last night with the lack of a left back being available, Sibley at LWB and Wilson at RWB would have given us more attacking options IMO, but he chose to play a 4 with Cashin at LB, a 4 that the vast majority are screaming for despite the personnel not being available. (Do you not think part of the problem is the constant changing of formations?)
No matter how poor the football is perceived to be by some, we ONLY lost to stupid, amateurish individual errors again, just like at the beginning of the season. (How did warne actually plan on scoring and winning this game other than getting a set piece or some good fortune from a cross ?  We created next to nothing and didn't even deserve to win it)
Is it Warnes fault that Wildsmith had another brainfart? We could see from the South stand that when the ball went forward he would never get there in time as he wasn't on his toes in anticipation, so he should have got close and stood his grd to make the player have to beat him. (It's warnes fault we're not controlling games at all, therefore letting our opponents run into our box)
Was it Warnes fault that the numerous mistakes from individuals cost us the 2nd goal, fgs, I came from us trying to pass it around at the back instead of launching it forwards (what most people complain about as Warne ball.... so it feels like all those moaners got what they deserved by trying to pass it around with league 1 players!). (Cashin, Nyambe, Bradley, Nelson, Vickers, Forsyth, Elder, Bird, Hourihane, Fornah, Adams, NML, Knight, Didzy, Smith, etc, have all come from playing championship football. They are not league 1 players)
I for 1 will be there on Saturday and give him my full support, despite not agreeing with some of his decisions,  after all, what do I know compared to the man that has us 2nd in the table? 
And for all those that say any other manager would have us 1st, prove it, Where's the evidence? Who's to say we wouldn't have lost more games? Or is it just your opinion, a bit like mine, so worthless other than being an opinion of a fan that has watched thousands of games but never had access to the inner workings of a club out of administration and the coaching badges to allow me to be on the training ground. (For you and anyone else saying warne isn't holding us back, prove it, wheres the evidence?)
 

He's just refusing to let the 5 at the back go. It doesn't work and it doesn't suit our club. I honestly think he's persisting with it because its the only system he fully understands. Even when we play with a back 4 it feels like there's large tactical elements just missing from our play like Warne just doesn't know how to play it fully. 

Explain why the team has got gradually worse since Warne has been here then. Shouldn't it be the opposite? He's been here 51 games now, which is long enough to demonstrate some sort of progression. 

5 at the back formations are generally simpler and less sophisticated than others. They are also out of date, and have been for about 6/7 years when Conte was using it at Chelsea and Wilder was at Sheff Utd. The only teams that use to some level of success now are Wolves and Brentford, and they use it mainly to counter-attack given the opposition they usually play.

Can’t believe the negativity on this thread again. It’s really crazy if you ask me 
Did everyone think we were going to win every game or play fantastic football in every game? I just don’t understand the levels of expectation 

It really does not matter about the formation or which personnel in what position. This is how Warne wants to play - pragmatic, hard-working but with little movement or creativity. It's like watching the straight lines English football of the 1980s. 
I genuinley cannot stand any team who will take any opportunity to lump the ball in the box from a free-kick from absolutely anywhere on the pitch. This makes sense for a team with little resources, but we are the wealthiest team in the division! Warne seems to consider these as our best chance to score rather than back our players to pass the ball around and create space.
The sooner this season is over, the better. Either we bore our way to a joyless promotion or he gets sacked for not achieving it. 
I wish I had that option like on Football Manager where you can go on holiday and come back at the end and hope everything has worked out alright. 

How did Warne actual plan on scoring in this game? Apart from a set-piece or bit of luck.
It started off quite well but Charlton responded by doubling out wide in defence and that was it. Absolutely nothing from the manager after that. That's all it took to stop our entire attacking play. 

He's just refusing to let the 5 at the back go. It doesn't work and it doesn't suit our club. I honestly think he's persisting with it because its the only system he fully understands. Even when we play with a back 4 it feels like there's large tactical elements just missing from our play like Warne just doesn't know how to play it fully. 

There are four ways five-at-the-back works.
You use it if your midfield is poor but you have ball-playing centre-halves - so your defenders are keeping the ball.
You use it if you have underlapping wide centre-halves. 
You use it in a one off match in which you know you’re soaking up loads of pressure.
Or you use it if you have an insane sweeper. 
We’re none of these.

He's just refusing to let the 5 at the back go. It doesn't work and it doesn't suit our club. I honestly think he's persisting with it because its the only system he fully understands. Even when we play with a back 4 it feels like there's large tactical elements just missing from our play like Warne just doesn't know how to play it fully. 

He's just refusing to let the 5 at the back go. It doesn't work and it doesn't suit our club. I honestly think he's persisting with it because its the only system he fully understands. Even when we play with a back 4 it feels like there's large tactical elements just missing from our play like Warne just doesn't know how to play it fully. 

He's just refusing to let the 5 at the back go. It doesn't work and it doesn't suit our club. I honestly think he's persisting with it because its the only system he fully understands. Even when we play with a back 4 it feels like there's large tactical elements just missing from our play like Warne just doesn't know how to play it fully. 

He's just refusing to let the 5 at the back go. It doesn't work and it doesn't suit our club. I honestly think he's persisting with it because its the only system he fully understands. Even when we play with a back 4 it feels like there's large tactical elements just missing from our play like Warne just doesn't know how to play it fully. 

He's just refusing to let the 5 at the back go. It doesn't work and it doesn't suit our club. I honestly think he's persisting with it because its the only system he fully understands. Even when we play with a back 4 it feels like there's large tactical elements just missing from our play like Warne just doesn't know how to play it fully. 

Hate it when he says this. Its a cop out that blames the players either way. Either they don't work hard enough, or they do work hard enough but don't have the talent and there's no more he can do. 

Hate it when he says this. Its a cop out that blames the players either way. Either they don't work hard enough, or they do work hard enough but don't have the talent and there's no more he can do. 

What are these players being told to do in training? Surely it’s not get it out wide and hope NML can pull something out his backside for hours a day? Cos if it’s not that then we’re either praying for a set piece or a bit of magic from somewhere. We’ve created absolutely nothing against a team that haven’t won since November.
We turn every game into a scrap as if we’re the underdogs which of course suits 90% of this torrid division down to the ground. Why play around them when we can try and out-battle teams that haven’t got half as much talent as us? Baffling.