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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from Carnero in v Stoke City (A) Match thread   
    Don't disagree with your reasoning and can see the logic. But I would feel that we needed a natural out and out right winger to compensate for the loss of Bogle's natural width.
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from CWC1983 in Scottish Football - what's the point?   
    Its a valid point that the SPL has been dominated by the Old Firm for too long and makes the competition a little dull. But the cumulative sizes of those two clubs in comparison with the rest of the league is so disproportionate that it is likely to always be thus. The support bases that the Glasgow clubs have compared to that of even the next 3 biggest clubs (Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts) is extraordinary. Even the Edinburgh clubs struggle to attract more than 15-20,000 fans per game whereas Celtic have 60,000 most weeks and Rangers pushing 50,000. In a league with little resource, that really does make a huge difference.
    The game, in all countries and all divisions is dominated by money now. It is just a case of it being to a varying degree of how much money we're talking about. But it makes it nigh on impossible for "lesser" smaller clubs to compete with the larger, more financially cash rich clubs. When Aberdeen last won the league it was a much more level playing field - but the same was also true in England in those days - the English top flight was much more readily shared around in the 70s and 80s. We are just as much a victim of this as Scotland - the top 6 pretty much have a monopoly on the title making it virtually impossible for other clubs to compete. We have a once in a blue moon story like Leicester that has bucked the trend - but ordinarily this is not the case. When you look at the clubs who have won the English top flight since 1984/85, it has pretty much been either: the biggest clubs in the country (Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Leeds, Everton) or the clubs with the most money at that time (Blackburn, Chelsea, Man City) and many of those clubs overlap both categories.
    When saying that since 1984/85 we've had 9 winners compared to the SPL's 2 - its not a fair comparison. I think that we've been just as limited in how its been shared around - the only difference is that there is far more money in England than there is in Scotland thereby meaning that a higher percentage of clubs have access to large budgets. I'd say that in our system, with the number of teams we've got and the % difference in monetary terms between the English top flight and the SPL, their having two winners and us having had nine in a 35 year period in fairly even. Espeically when you consider that many of those teams have only won it once or twice (Everton x2, Liverpool x2, Leeds x1, Blackburn x1 - all over 20 years ago - and Leicester x1) and the league title has actually only ever been dominated by 4 teams (Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City) in that period.
    Additionally, compared to a number of other major leagues in Europe, the SPL is probably no more top 2 heavy than many others. Spain is pretty much dominated by the Classico sides and has been (with a couple of exceptions) for decades. Juventus have cleaned up Serie A for the last decade, the big 3 dominate just as much in Holland (Ajax, PSV, Feyenoord barely giving anybody else a look in) with the same in Portugal (Porto, Benfica, Sporting). Meanwhile, the Bundesliga is not exactly a level playing field when you consider Bayern, and to a lesser extent, Dortmund's dominance.
    In that regard, the SPL, whilst being probably the most unbalanced of those leagues and having had the longest 2 team stranglehold, does not actually compare all that badly. Modern football lends itself to a small percentage of teams at the top dominating and the rest scrabbling around to be the 'best of the rest'. Jeremy Corbyn's 'for the many, not the few' slogan would have a field day.
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from Dordogne-Ram in ticket prices   
    I thin that @Jourdan and yourself are both pretty much right. It is down to money, of course, but maybe not entirely so.
    I doubt we'd ever get the 38,000+ fans who got/wanted Wembley tickets to come to every home game. For a variety of reasons - I know fans from all over the country, if not the world, who came to the Wembley game because of what it was. They wouldn't come to each home game.
    I also know plenty of family of fans who only really wanted to come because of the magnitude of the fixture. They probably wouldn't come to each home game.
    Of the fans who came to Wembley who could feasibly come to each home game or would want to, I'd suggest that money is the biggest contributing factor, you're quite right. Not necessarily as a straight consequence of the cost (but I accept that the ticket prices probably are too high) but more because of financial priorities - spending £30 to watch Derby could be the price of a meal out or a day with the kids.
    Equally, I would wager that for a lot of people, its the time commitment. There's absolutely nowhere I'd rather be on a Saturday afternoon than watching the Rams. Would I still be able to say that in 5 years when I've got kids and I've spent all week at work? Probably, but it might not be a priority. For a lot of fans, giving up every weekend is too much of a commitment, financial or time wise. Take me for example, on Saturday I spent the whole day revolving around the match - early train, in town with mates for 7/8 pints, then the match, then a couple more followed by the train home. Even my Mrs is competing for my time, but when I have kids, will I be able to do that? Probably not.
    So, it is fair to say that prices probably are the biggest contributing factor but it certainly isn't entirely that.
    I accept that its market forces. But prices are too steep, no doubt about that. And that isn't an indictment on Mel or Derby, more English football as a whole. It certainly doesn't help pull in a crowd. Something needs to be done about it right at the very top.
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from Rampage in Red Dogs Away   
    Even if* we're 3-0 up? 😉
     
     
    *when
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from JoetheRam in ticket prices   
    I thin that @Jourdan and yourself are both pretty much right. It is down to money, of course, but maybe not entirely so.
    I doubt we'd ever get the 38,000+ fans who got/wanted Wembley tickets to come to every home game. For a variety of reasons - I know fans from all over the country, if not the world, who came to the Wembley game because of what it was. They wouldn't come to each home game.
    I also know plenty of family of fans who only really wanted to come because of the magnitude of the fixture. They probably wouldn't come to each home game.
    Of the fans who came to Wembley who could feasibly come to each home game or would want to, I'd suggest that money is the biggest contributing factor, you're quite right. Not necessarily as a straight consequence of the cost (but I accept that the ticket prices probably are too high) but more because of financial priorities - spending £30 to watch Derby could be the price of a meal out or a day with the kids.
    Equally, I would wager that for a lot of people, its the time commitment. There's absolutely nowhere I'd rather be on a Saturday afternoon than watching the Rams. Would I still be able to say that in 5 years when I've got kids and I've spent all week at work? Probably, but it might not be a priority. For a lot of fans, giving up every weekend is too much of a commitment, financial or time wise. Take me for example, on Saturday I spent the whole day revolving around the match - early train, in town with mates for 7/8 pints, then the match, then a couple more followed by the train home. Even my Mrs is competing for my time, but when I have kids, will I be able to do that? Probably not.
    So, it is fair to say that prices probably are the biggest contributing factor but it certainly isn't entirely that.
    I accept that its market forces. But prices are too steep, no doubt about that. And that isn't an indictment on Mel or Derby, more English football as a whole. It certainly doesn't help pull in a crowd. Something needs to be done about it right at the very top.
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    TibshelfRam reacted to ThePrisoner in Leeds Documentary   
    I WILL DEFY YOU AND I WILL ANSWER!
    But really, you can join and then cancel immediately and you'll keep your membership until then. 
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from CWC1983 in ticket prices   
    I thin that @Jourdan and yourself are both pretty much right. It is down to money, of course, but maybe not entirely so.
    I doubt we'd ever get the 38,000+ fans who got/wanted Wembley tickets to come to every home game. For a variety of reasons - I know fans from all over the country, if not the world, who came to the Wembley game because of what it was. They wouldn't come to each home game.
    I also know plenty of family of fans who only really wanted to come because of the magnitude of the fixture. They probably wouldn't come to each home game.
    Of the fans who came to Wembley who could feasibly come to each home game or would want to, I'd suggest that money is the biggest contributing factor, you're quite right. Not necessarily as a straight consequence of the cost (but I accept that the ticket prices probably are too high) but more because of financial priorities - spending £30 to watch Derby could be the price of a meal out or a day with the kids.
    Equally, I would wager that for a lot of people, its the time commitment. There's absolutely nowhere I'd rather be on a Saturday afternoon than watching the Rams. Would I still be able to say that in 5 years when I've got kids and I've spent all week at work? Probably, but it might not be a priority. For a lot of fans, giving up every weekend is too much of a commitment, financial or time wise. Take me for example, on Saturday I spent the whole day revolving around the match - early train, in town with mates for 7/8 pints, then the match, then a couple more followed by the train home. Even my Mrs is competing for my time, but when I have kids, will I be able to do that? Probably not.
    So, it is fair to say that prices probably are the biggest contributing factor but it certainly isn't entirely that.
    I accept that its market forces. But prices are too steep, no doubt about that. And that isn't an indictment on Mel or Derby, more English football as a whole. It certainly doesn't help pull in a crowd. Something needs to be done about it right at the very top.
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    TibshelfRam reacted to cheron85 in Best forward line you've seen play for Derby   
    I often think about these combinations and wonder how they compare to the forward lines we had when we were Premier League strugglers
    I think Malcolm Christie would walk into any of our championship sides - But what about Deon Burton? (for example) - He played a LOT of games for us at Premier League level and I always thought he was bang average - But he was technically playing at a higher level than any of the guys listed above have played for us
    I often forget that awesome Burley season too though - That was some great football and a pretty special bunch of players who I loved watching - Although I'm pretty sure we didn't have much resembling a defence of any kind?
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    TibshelfRam reacted to David in Forest (A) Carabao Cup Tickets   
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    TibshelfRam reacted to Andicis in v Stoke City (A) Match thread   
    The butchering of Bielik's name is already taking place. Would like to see him start though, if he's fit enough. I think Knight did enough to earn a start too. I'd like to see a midfield 3 of Bielik, Dowell and Knight.
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    TibshelfRam reacted to RadioactiveWaste in v Stoke City (A) Match thread   
    I fear the re-emergence of Derby's "oh they are in terrible form we're bound to beat these... Oh poo.... They beat us" tendency that we've had fir absolutely years.
    A draw would be OK, a win great, a loss can't be ruled out, but won't be the disaster the later stages of this thread might lead you to believe.
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    TibshelfRam reacted to Steve How Hard? in Stoke is now a sell out   
    He might get chased out of the Stoke boardroom on Saturday by angry Stoke  directors after he hustled £2 million off them for Rowett. 
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    TibshelfRam reacted to Van der MoodHoover in How to take a penalty   
    Shilts was dreadful at penos and did much the same in 1990, but he was still a legend.......😂
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from RadioactiveWaste in Scottish Football - what's the point?   
    Its a valid point that the SPL has been dominated by the Old Firm for too long and makes the competition a little dull. But the cumulative sizes of those two clubs in comparison with the rest of the league is so disproportionate that it is likely to always be thus. The support bases that the Glasgow clubs have compared to that of even the next 3 biggest clubs (Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts) is extraordinary. Even the Edinburgh clubs struggle to attract more than 15-20,000 fans per game whereas Celtic have 60,000 most weeks and Rangers pushing 50,000. In a league with little resource, that really does make a huge difference.
    The game, in all countries and all divisions is dominated by money now. It is just a case of it being to a varying degree of how much money we're talking about. But it makes it nigh on impossible for "lesser" smaller clubs to compete with the larger, more financially cash rich clubs. When Aberdeen last won the league it was a much more level playing field - but the same was also true in England in those days - the English top flight was much more readily shared around in the 70s and 80s. We are just as much a victim of this as Scotland - the top 6 pretty much have a monopoly on the title making it virtually impossible for other clubs to compete. We have a once in a blue moon story like Leicester that has bucked the trend - but ordinarily this is not the case. When you look at the clubs who have won the English top flight since 1984/85, it has pretty much been either: the biggest clubs in the country (Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Leeds, Everton) or the clubs with the most money at that time (Blackburn, Chelsea, Man City) and many of those clubs overlap both categories.
    When saying that since 1984/85 we've had 9 winners compared to the SPL's 2 - its not a fair comparison. I think that we've been just as limited in how its been shared around - the only difference is that there is far more money in England than there is in Scotland thereby meaning that a higher percentage of clubs have access to large budgets. I'd say that in our system, with the number of teams we've got and the % difference in monetary terms between the English top flight and the SPL, their having two winners and us having had nine in a 35 year period in fairly even. Espeically when you consider that many of those teams have only won it once or twice (Everton x2, Liverpool x2, Leeds x1, Blackburn x1 - all over 20 years ago - and Leicester x1) and the league title has actually only ever been dominated by 4 teams (Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City) in that period.
    Additionally, compared to a number of other major leagues in Europe, the SPL is probably no more top 2 heavy than many others. Spain is pretty much dominated by the Classico sides and has been (with a couple of exceptions) for decades. Juventus have cleaned up Serie A for the last decade, the big 3 dominate just as much in Holland (Ajax, PSV, Feyenoord barely giving anybody else a look in) with the same in Portugal (Porto, Benfica, Sporting). Meanwhile, the Bundesliga is not exactly a level playing field when you consider Bayern, and to a lesser extent, Dortmund's dominance.
    In that regard, the SPL, whilst being probably the most unbalanced of those leagues and having had the longest 2 team stranglehold, does not actually compare all that badly. Modern football lends itself to a small percentage of teams at the top dominating and the rest scrabbling around to be the 'best of the rest'. Jeremy Corbyn's 'for the many, not the few' slogan would have a field day.
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    TibshelfRam reacted to angieram in Max Lowe   
    Why does every thread that involves a possible move to or from a Scottish club descend into the same circular debate about the perceived quality of Scottish football? 
    On topic, I am pleased Max is staying at Derby. Saw enough in the match against Girona to see he's learned a lot from his season with Aberdeen. He seems fitter, stronger and more positionally aware.
    Left back has been a problem position injury wise for us for several seasons now. When the inevitable happens, I think he will step up and show his worth if given the opportunity. 
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    TibshelfRam reacted to reverendo de duivel in Car you currently drive?   
    Nice.
    Any chance you could fit me in for a cut and colour next week?
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    TibshelfRam reacted to Paul71 in Frank Lampard’s Chelsea FC   
    She was good. They recorded the conversation with henderson when he got booked...
    Henderson - whats wrong? 
    Ref - nothing 
    Henderson - there must be something for you to book me
    Ref - well if you don't know im not telling you
    Henderson - comeon im sorry 
    Ref - fine
    Henderson - don't be like that,  please tell me what i did
    Ref - whatever
     
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from SKRam in Red Dogs Away   
    I heard that they are going to limit us to 2,000 max.
    Apparently its for two reasons:
    1) They have decided to invite all of their managers from the past 10 years back to their old stomping ground;
    2) Their squad now contains 1,472 players (+/- 10%)
    Once you've factored in seating arrangements for all of the above, plus their associated agents, sisters/wives (not mutually exclusive), they're going to struggle to fit us all in.
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from SKRam in Stoke is now a sell out   
    Mate, if I knew it was that easy to lose my girlfriend, I'd buy her a bloody season ticket!
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from Boycie in Red Dogs Away   
    I heard that they are going to limit us to 2,000 max.
    Apparently its for two reasons:
    1) They have decided to invite all of their managers from the past 10 years back to their old stomping ground;
    2) Their squad now contains 1,472 players (+/- 10%)
    Once you've factored in seating arrangements for all of the above, plus their associated agents, sisters/wives (not mutually exclusive), they're going to struggle to fit us all in.
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from SIXTEEN AGAIN in Red Dogs Away   
    I mean, I get that its annoying when it happened so long ago (in the case of Forest and Villa).
    But, at the same time, I am pretty convinced that, had we ever won the European Cup, we would be just as obsessive about it and we would probably (rightly so) have it commemorated everywhere around PP.
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from Derby blood in Stoke is now a sell out   
    Mate, if I knew it was that easy to lose my girlfriend, I'd buy her a bloody season ticket!
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from ossieram in Red Dogs Away   
    I heard that they are going to limit us to 2,000 max.
    Apparently its for two reasons:
    1) They have decided to invite all of their managers from the past 10 years back to their old stomping ground;
    2) Their squad now contains 1,472 players (+/- 10%)
    Once you've factored in seating arrangements for all of the above, plus their associated agents, sisters/wives (not mutually exclusive), they're going to struggle to fit us all in.
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from John Doe in Rooney Change Number   
    There are no grounds to enforce Derby to change Rooney's number.
    Any attempt to kick off about this is hypocrisy - skybet championship.
    Other clubs have already set a precedent - bet365 stadium, Salford's number 6 and the super 6 sponsorship, various other teams sponsored by 32Red.
    The government should look at far more important sporting issues - Bolton and Bury.
    Mel Morris is not thick. He will have anticipated this uproar. And he won't care.
    32Red are not thick. They will have anticipated this uproar. And will be rubbing their hands together at the added publicity.
    There is no plausible way for the FA. EFL etc to prove that the number is categorically linked to the sponsorship.
    The Church of England have never exactly been a beacon for morality. If only they were so keen to practice what they preach - literally.
    People are adults. And we should treat them as such. Do I bet? Yes. Does Wayne Rooney's squad number make me more of less likely to bet? No. If people want to bet - they can. Why should be always bow to the 0.1% of the population - its nonsense. What next? We should ban pubs because they promote drinking and alcoholics might not like it. If an adult can't so much as see the number 32 on Rooney's back without being stuck down by the uncontrollable urge to get to the casino then I'd suggest there is already a problem there. Why is my generation so offended by everything? Get a grip.
    The FA are going to 'monitor' this. Really? That should take all of 0.5 seconds. January 4th: is Wayne Rooney wearing the number 32? Yes/No - investigation over. What is the purpose?
    Will this all die down soon? Of course. Does anybody ACTUALLY care? Of course not. This is just a prime example of public figures scrambling around to get on their soap box and plead social and moral responsibility.
    Will Rooney wear the number 32? Probably. I hope so. If only so we can put this matter to bed and demonstrate that there's not actually anything wrong with it.
    Will I buy the shirt? No. Because I don't want to. Am I still excited by Wayne Rooney playing for Derby? You can bet your life on it (no pun intended). Am I going to carry on betting £5/10 a week? Yes. But if I gamble away my mortgage then it is entirely and completely the fault of Wayne Rooney and Mel Morris.
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    TibshelfRam got a reaction from Rampage in How to take a penalty   
    Remember watching England in the early 2000s dreading the prospect of our 'keepers facing penos.
    Think back to the two shoot outs against Portugal - 2004 and 2006. David James and Paul Robinson pretty much just limply dropped down to the ground in an 'attempt' to save them. They never even got near a single one - a fact which says less about the penalty prowess of the Portuguese and more about the state of our goalkeepers at the time.
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