RoyMac5

8 minutes ago, AljosaAsanovic said:

...But multi-club ownership using x amount of clubs solely to benefit a small amount of others, 100% does not sit right with me.

If it does with you, then does your prerogative. But not with me.  

Did I say that? Does that always happen with multi-club ownership, I only really know of F*rest and Watford. Do all clubs financially mismanaged go into administration? Can these things be stopped? 

The best that can be done (on the whole) is try and minimise any potential for 'damage'?

5 minutes ago, AljosaAsanovic said:

I see what you are saying but my opinion is based on the overall picture. It matters not to me if we are top of the food chain in a multi-club group, fans especially suffer massively as a result of some of them being used as nothing but feeders and development teams and thats what I hate.   

It's a massive no from me. 

When things go 'wrong' in football it's always the fans who suffer. What other type of financial dealings are you going to rule out?

24 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

...but do you deliberately go for the yo-yo approach like Norwich, or invest more during that first season in an attempt to stay up?

If we managed to go up this season, I'd imagine we'd spend less than £50m. A few experienced PL players on frees at the back like Craig Dawson, Michael Keane, Lascelles ans Nathaniel Clyne. A couple of top quality loans from the top sides. A couple of upcoming youngsters for £10-15m like Tyler Morton and Jaden Philogene who are currently top end Championship standard but won't break through to be regulars at their clubs. Plus a few players from abroad  with a couple of those being free agents such as Sem Steijn.

Would that be good enough?

Impossible to say. Can't say I'd be willing to gamble on the quality of our transfer/academy strategy so far.

11 minutes ago, richinspain said:

...Albania, American Samoa, Andorra, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Brunei, Cambodia, Cape Verde, China, Christmas Islands, Cocos Islands, Cook Islands, Cyprus, East Timor, Estonia, Faroe Islands, Fiji, Gambia, Gibraltar, Germany, Greece, Guam, Italy, Kiribati Islands, Laos, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macau, Malaysia, Malta, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Mongolia, Myanmar, Nauru, New Caledonia, Niue, Norfolk Islands, North Korea, North Mariana Islands, Palau, Papa New Guinea, Pitcairn Islands, Poland, Republic of South Sudan, Samoa, Singapore, Socotra, Soloman Islands, South Tyrol, Spain, Switzerland, Tahiti, Taiwan, Tokelau, Tonga, Turkey, Tuvala, Vanuata, Vietnam, Wallis & Futuna, Western Samoa.

 

As Thailand has now been added @Boycie will no longer be able to watch the game live whilst on one of his "pleasure visits".

There's some 'unsold' markets there where you'd think EFL would be a good product?

44 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said:

...Either way, I think the money has to be lined up prior to promotion. £100m arguably being the minimum budget to have a serious chance of staying up. Luton's £25m budget only earned them 26 points, so whilst they 'gave it a good go', they were still considerably wayoff the pace compared to a normal season.

But if they went back up using their parachute payments, then what? That's more of a 'long view' that might make sense?

5 minutes ago, jono said:

Luton are pretty much chuffed to bits. PL adventure = New stadium paid for. Aiming to be solid champ club. It’s about expectations 

Why else do it if not to win, or at least try to be the best? I wonder what the Wrexham fans think, what a ride?

Same stuff rehashed.

14 minutes ago, MadAmster said:

The 3 man wall would have been sufficient if the outside man in the wall had either jumped or been 4 inches taller. No criticism of JWZ from me. No keeper can cover post to post. He covers most and the wall covers the rest. 

How can anyone other than the keeper know whether the wall is covering the area it should? 

1 hour ago, LeedsCityRam said:

...Probably an indictment on how short managerial careers are these days but he's also the 19th longest serving manager in the top 4 divisions. Whatever your views on Warne, it is good value for the club him getting past 50% of his contract...

Interesting him being level on games with George Burley? For comparison from Wiki.

"...Derby County's relegation saw the club enter a serious financial crisis, which forced them to sell many key players. Gregory was later suspended from his managerial duties over alleged misconduct and former Ipswich Town boss George Burley was brought in. The club was put into receivership then sold in October 2003 for £3 to a group led by Jeremy Keith. After finishing 20th in the 2003–04 season, a dramatic improvement in the 2004–05 season saw Derby finish fourth in the Championship, qualifying for a promotion play-off spot, though they lost in the semi-finals to Preston North End. Soon afterwards, Burley resigned citing differences between himself and the board...

...In 2003, Burley became interim manager of Derby County while permanent manager John Gregory was suspended. Burley managed to halt Derby's alarming slide towards the relegation zone of the First Division (just one season after relegation from the Premier League) and kept the club up comfortably. Burley was then appointed manager permanently when Gregory was sacked. The following season (2003–04) was often a struggle, with Derby actually finishing two places lower than the season before, but there were signs of improvement. This showed through in the 2004–05 season when, despite spending no money on new players, Burley transformed Derby from relegation contenders to a fourth-place finish and play-off semi-finalists. However, things were not as happy as they seemed on the surface with Burley's relationship with director of football Murdo Mackay and the club's board (who sold star player Tom Huddlestone without informing Burley) being very strained. After days of speculation and mudslinging, Burley announced his resignation from Derby in June 2005."

1 hour ago, Day said:

Wasn’t aware we were off together, but yeah I’m down if you’re paying 

The hotel with the aqua park and wave pool? 🤣 

3 hours ago, Day said:

Thought @RoyMac5 had been quiet recently, moonlighting on Radio Derby eh? 😜

Nope, researching our next holiday to Kusadasi. 😎 👍 #COYR

1 hour ago, jimtastic56 said:

I think we can learn a lot from the past . We have had 4 failed attempts in the play-offs plus dropping out the top six on the last day . We must be better prepared next time . Just a quick one on Mel and investment. Big mistake bringing “Our Harry” on board . Plus Lampards - “Shall I stay or shall I go”routine didn’t help . 

1 hour ago, Tamworthram said:

I agree but haven’t we learned it already rather than regurgitating once again how bad he was for putting the club into administration, how much he lost personally and how evil the chairmen of Wycombe and Boro were etc?

The advice Mel had on how and when to spend his (at the time time) considerable investment. The financial situation he got himself and the Club into. This is the real problem, as much so as who the investor is. This point continues to be ignored, but who was advising Mel and Derby County? How the Club is set up and run is more important than who is running it. Has it changed?

23 hours ago, EraniosSocks said:

Them coloured sweets catch us all 

Nah, not my thing. But I did spot some familiar faces on a visit to a Master ceramicist. You decide who they are. 😂

16 hours ago, EraniosSocks said:

@RoyMac5 Ibiza looks decent mate 

😎 Pah!The weather forecast is as poor as .... fill in the blanks and mention football if you want to! 😀

PS I said we'd win against Bristol City. I don't normally forecast as I am superstitious, but I wanted to make a point.

#COYR

4 hours ago, Chester40 said:

You're being very touchy Roy... not like you.

I honestly enjoy your ability to have a slightly irksome retort to any conversation! 

Don't go changing.

Sod off! You sweet talker you! 😁