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22 minutes ago, eddielewis said:

I get that as well. I think he has totally underestimated the actual size of the club and the position it was/still in and the structure and footballing philosophy we have played to for near around the last 10 years. It's hard to write that without looking big headed but that's what we are and it's weird that it seems he's quite shameful of that. His defeated attitude towards winning back the fans in the interview this afternoon just shows that he's not totally invested in the football club. 

He's painted in a good light that he's open in interviews but i see him as very very suffocating, inflexible and stubborn. At a time like this I bet his insistence on chatting on whatsapp and needing to be in the personal lives of players especially let's say tomorrow after this afternoons performance must really rub the wrong way on certain players. 

Another aspect that stuck with me was an Rams Tv interview he did in spain after we sold Knight when he said along the lines of 'player's on the last year of their contract are not going to be committed performance wise'. Most of our squad is out of contract in the summer? I feel he sounded his own death knell with these players.

I genuinely think he is actually quite passive aggressive at times and has took multiple jabs at the club, how it's set up and towards the fans. A lot of it was missed, seen as a joke, early in the season or we won the next game so it's forgotten.

He has said things early in the season that made me think he was reading fans comments and was letting them get to him too.

I can't imagine that passive aggression goes down well with players especially ones who feel they are more technically adept than the average Rotherham player Warne was signing. And probably even worse if he is Whatsapping them too lol

I agree he has probably underestimated alot of things at the club. Probably thought he could mold a club just coming out of a devastating period in his own image and we would be Rotherham but with money 🤣

Good spot on that interview in Spain, as I remember he said a few weird things while over there, but the general positivity of a new season had people not really looking Into his words

39 minutes ago, Bald Eagle's Barmy Army said:

And unfortunately this is what Warne has said. The money spent on the academy needs to be spent on the first team. 
 

The guy is running the club into the ground. He hasnt got a clue how to build a club - he only wants to look at first team and that’s it. And when you look at what he’s done to the first team, we’re going to be in this mess for a long time. 

Did anyone else feel that Warne has made a few comments about the club being too big. At the time they were taken as jokes and in the context of cutting away the excess fat. Making us less bloated and more lean. I always got the feeling the size of the club annoyed him, especially when he would lightly moan about DCFC loving meetings, having lots of department heads, too many staff to remember the name of etc. 

Does that point to a deeper feeling that he just wishes we were Rotherham with more money and the fans ambitions of one day having a thriving and big club, back in the Prem are silly and egotistical to him??

1 minute ago, Sparkle said:

Which is the big issue whilst the likes of Cashin Bird and Sibley are likely to join knight in walking away in January or the summer because it doesn’t look promising here anymore 

That is the bit that really worries me. These performances could be worse after the transfer window.

3 hours ago, Ken said:

Still having a club considering how worried we all were 18 months ago.

For some people that's the most important thing, I started going with my dad and grandad, when my grandad died it was just me and my dad, before I was born my dad used to go with my grandad, now my dad is no longer with us and my daughter comes sometimes, when you're board at half time waiting for the second half and you think about the good times your family have had at the club, it kind of puts it into perspective.

For me still having a club to support, carrying on the family tradition of supporting Derby, hoping my grand-kids will also continue it - is more important than winning promotion. (don't get me wrong I would love to get promoted)

I totally agree that still having a club to support is more important than anything but there is something I don't hear many bring up.

Deep down we know that Mr Clowes probably doesn't have the money to fund us indefinitely in this division and getting promoted is probably very important in us retaining our facilities at their current level etc.

There could be some dread in the backs of people's minds knowing if promotion doesn't come soon enough we could be in a mess once again, or have to go through the process of trying to sell all or part of the club, and having deal with all the anxiety that comes with it.

you talk of your what the club means to you and your family and I think many people resonate with that and think deep down that we probably arnt out of the woods just yet, and put alot of emphasis on promotion being part of the clubs future stability. 

26 minutes ago, Big Trav said:

Also worth reminding you, half of our scouting department have left. 

And the guy credited with finding us good players has now ran off with Rooney...

33 minutes ago, Tamworthram said:

But how were we to know the scale of the gamble being made when we didn’t have details of the finances? What could we have done about it if we had had concerns given we were given assurances that we were within P&S rules? What can we do about it now (asking questions on this forum isn’t going to get answers)? Do we need to be asking questions right now given the EFL are all over our transfer dealings like a rash?
 

There’s nothing wrong with retaining a level of caution but I don’t think you can blame the fans for our plight or that we should be overly cautious just now.

Exactly right, the fans can't take responsibility for Mel's reckless actions.

So if the fans had caught wind of his actions and kicked off, what would of it achieved. Mel couldn't admit he was wrong during his so called "apology". Does anyone seriously think he would of come out and said "Oops, sorry all, you got me red handed, I will back off the spending now" ?

1 minute ago, Gerry Daly said:

Well if you call the reported figure of £400K for Buchanan respectable in todays market.....

We didn't sell him though did we? Thought that was a compensation payment not a transfer fee

29 minutes ago, PistoldPete said:

"League chiefs will demand Derby start the season with kids if that is what it takes"

WTF does that mean? Of course Derby will start the season, but as far as I am aware we have finance now in place to allow contracts to be renewed and free agents to be signed.. are "League chiefs" going to stop us doing that and make us play kids instead?  

Assuming the Embargo on signings stands until the bid is officially accepted and the EFL signs off on the business plan?

2 hours ago, Ramos said:

Give Liam the job. 

Who says he wants it? 

1 minute ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

If suspect it's not going to be Liam rosenoir and it's going to be a "WTF guys" appointment.

Liam to resurface by Wayne's side in his next role.

Liam has said before that he wants to be a number 1

4 minutes ago, Rambalin said:

Now is this why Rosenoir turned down Blackpool 

That was my thought too. Rooney has probably known he was going since the CK deal collapsed (total speculation but has a logic to it lol)

3 minutes ago, NottmRAM said:

Surely, if it IS MA, and he only pays the least amount possible (which would mean a 15 point deduction), he must realise that he would alienate a large part of the fanbase. So much so that attendance could drop by more than a third.

He would be the hated owner from day one! I would imagine the manager, coaches, and players would feel some resentment towards him also.

But, if his bid was enough to start next season on 0 points, He would be hailed as a hero.

When has he cared about being a hero. I worked directly for him when he bought Newcastle. He was convinced the Geordies were gonna build a statue to him. As soon as he started getting criticism he took it personally and became detached. It was then just business to him. I imagine we are just business to him. He will cut cloth accordingly and I'm sure be quite happy with a nice Championship level billboard. I don't believe he will spend to get us to the PL, I think if we made it, it would be a big bonus to him but I don't think the PL is main aim for him. 

5 minutes ago, BucksRam said:

Exactly my thought.  Goes back to the EFL standing back whilst Perm Boy shafted us, along with Cou-Pig.  How on earth can other clubs decide whether we stay or go.  I've said several times I wouldn't wish this on other clubs, but the way some have behaved, I might have a different view now. 

Yeah knowing other clubs want us dead and don't give even the slightest thought about the area or the fans is quite horrendous. I wouldn't wish the death of any club. I have no problem with them wishing us relegated or to do badly, or hating Mel or the people who ran the club. But to hate us to the point we don't exist is horrible

3 minutes ago, Rammie1884 said:

Hi guys, avid reader and first time poster…….live in Deal on south coast, avid fan, get to games as much as possible, big ram on lounge wall, Tattoos and at a loss……I may of missed it but didn’t CK have to put a hefty non refundable deposit down when made PB? 

Yeah I thought it was 5mill ? 

4 minutes ago, Barney1991 said:

They’re more interested in Liverpool turning down a bid that a founding member club going bump. Staggers beyond belief 

Well one generates clicks and one doesn't. We arnt a global brand like these other clubs. We get treated like we don't matter because our name doesnt generate money for the media. It why it's generally Wayne's name that gets mentioned first by the media.

No it isnt fair but media is a business

1 minute ago, Leeds Ram said:

I'm amazed he's on the fu**ing golf course whilst this is going on tbh. Either his cheque is in the mail and Ed Dawes has gotten this spectacularly wrong or there is truth in it and he's all but given up hope of completing the deal. It's such a fu**ing shambles all around tbh. 

Well it's a potentially huge opportunity for his company and to be in bed with the Saudis will probably make him more money than Derby will, so I can understand why he is playing golf. I'm not saying it's right but I can definitely see why he is doing it 

Just now, WestLondonRam said:

Has he been on yet? 
 

Nope

7 hours ago, Ram-a-lama fa fa fa said:

not for me mate. rather plant a sunflower and watch it grow. probably score and stand up for longer

 Just came off scoring 3 in 23 for a team based in Iran in the Gulf Pro League. And from what iv read that team is one of the best in the league and won the title last season so I think you might be right about the sunflower ?

1 minute ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

You know how that boxing match at pride park got postponed?

I got an idea....

And yes, I'd bet on the Scouser.

Unfortunately its almost guaranteed to be cancelled. Andrade is getting offers for much bigger fights elsewhere and his injury is very very timely in that respect lol

14 minutes ago, Sparkle said:

There was and still is a vendetta thank you very much 

Wow the insight ?

8 minutes ago, RAM1966 said:

So why has nobody bought Mels over priced train set?  Been up for sale for a couple of years.....  Because nobody is going to fork our for a vastly overpriced club....  Not me thats the clown!

I agree owners go into football knowing they are likely yo have to bank roll thier clubs.  It doesnt mean they are prepared to pay rediculous money to start with.

Kirchner is not going to complete this deal, unless he's gifted tge ground, or a local consortium purchase it and allow hi. to use it for a peppercorn rent....  Im surpised Q have been stupid enough to give CK till Sat with extended exclusivity, they should be looking at all offers.

 

Maybe because they think the other offers would be worse or they anticipate that bidders know buying us out of liquidation would be far cheaper and CK seems to be the only bidder truly attempting to stop that from happening.

Why buy the club for 50mill when in a few weeks you can grab it for naff all and then do a deal with Mel for the stadium. 

If Mike is as clever, and as hungry for success as some seem to think then starting in league 2 won't be an issue especially as if he does buy the club outright and we get the 15 point deduction then going into league 2 is a distinct possibility. If we get the same embargo as Bolton did then no buying players, 4.5k wage limit and no loans. And that would be for 2 years......oh and Rooney (if he stayed) needs to integrate 30+ new free agents together into a cohesive squad.........sure we be back in the prem in no time ?

3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said:

But he will care about success!

Not sure you can say that when he will willingly take a 15 point penalty which could see us relegated to league 2

If he doesn't pay off the 20% creditor debt in one go and does it over 2 years then we will stay under embargo until it is paid. No buying players, no loans and a wage cap of 4.5k was what Bolton got.

6 minutes ago, IslandExile said:

I guess you are ruling Mike Ashley out too on the same basis, eh? Seen drinking beers with the fans in his early days at Newcastle.

I mean you wouldn't want to be inconsistent, would you?

Totally agree @IslandExile

I'd be more worried about MAs behavior lol, remember Iain Wright, chairman of the business committee, was quoted as saying about Sports Direct after the big inquiry *A business whose working practices are closer to that of a Victorian workhouse than that of a modern, reputable high-street retailer”. MPs said workers at Sports Direct were not always paid the national minimum wage and had been penalised for taking time off work when ill.

Wasn't MA quoted as saying he was a "power drinker"

5 minutes ago, SBW said:

Just don't see CK buying the club.  He's been keen to big himself up about all the money he's got, but he can't afford to buy the stadium? 

So he wants the club, but the asset that holds all the value to make his purchase worthwhile... can't afford it.

Something isn't quite right with him.  

 

He's setting himself up to walk off and blame Morris.  How vocal (and unprofessional) he has been about Morris from the start rang alarm bells with me.  Any smart businessman wouldn't talk that way about someone they really need on their side to get the deal done. 

 

What this has all done though, has given him a big platform and got his name out there more.  

Big platform? I think you over estimate the global reach of DCFC. Barely anyone outside of English football cares and many inside English football don't care about us or Slync.io either. His company having ties to Golf and F1 are far bigger platforms than us.