Carnero got a reaction from Premier ram in Which player did you initially not rate but then grew to love?
Yep CKR & Bucko.
Oh, and Theo Robinson.
Carnero reacted to CornwallRam in WHY
Because Mel has attempted to make Derby County successful at a time when FFP/P&S and parachute payments combine to make it incredibly difficult to achieve promotion. The reality of this division means that it drains the finances of ambitious clubs who get stuck in it.
Mel selected a strategy that he thought would work and went for it. I, and others, have always been critical of that strategy, but that neither means I was right nor Mel was wrong. My ideas were never tested and Mels were within a whisker of working.
The problem now is that too many seasons in this division have drained Mel and the club and our attempts to overcome the ridiculous handicap of FFP have caught up with us, as they would have with Norwich, Leeds, Leicester, Watford and Wolves if they hadn't been promoted.
Let's not be too hard on Mel. He tried, he failed and now walks away 10s or maybe 100s of millions poorer. I believe that the same would have happened with any other owner had they failed to get promoted...and promotion requires lots of luck or parachute payments.
Carnero reacted to LazloW in WHY
Everything is easy in hindsight. I’m sure every decision that has been made has been made with the best of intentions and the best interests of the club. It would be hard to conclude that many of those decisions have not turned out to be the best, but it’s easy to be wise after the event.
A lot of things that have gone wrong are also ‘sporting’ issues, which I refuse to blame the owner for. Backing your manager isn’t a crime. Bringing in managers with decent CVs and footballing pedigree isn’t a crime. There are plenty of examples of teams who underperform out there and it is rarely the owner’s fault. That’s the nature of football I’m afraid. Sometimes other teams are better than you. It happens.
I think a lot of negative things have happened all at once which has led to a lot of conflating of issues and 2+2 is equaling 5 in a lot of cases. But I’m not angry (I’m not even faux angry) - more than anything I’m just sad that it’s turned out this way and sad for Mel as well.
Carnero reacted to DarkFruitsRam7 in El DerbyCo
Yes, but we’ve still managed to make one play off final and two play off semis since Mel took over.
Football is a game of incredibly fine margins. If Bryson had got on the end of that cross against Hull, we might have gone up in Mel’s first season. If Roos had caught the ball at Wembley, we might have gone up slightly later than planned.
As it happens, those things didn’t happen, and we’re left in 21st place and worried about our club’s future.
Mel has made some terrible mistakes, and his last act might well be to sell us to someone who destroys the club. His tenure has undoubtedly been a failure.
But if one or two tiny things had happened differently, he’d have been a club legend.
Such is football eh?
Carnero reacted to Rev in El DerbyCo
I almost think a complete reset would be good.
Start again from the bottom, with a fan owned membership in control, and we spend what we earn and not a penny more.
A club constitution that prevents any one party taking over, and if that means that our natural level is lower than now, so be it.
It would be our Derby, not the plaything of chancers and spivs.
If we could grow organically and one day return to previous heights, great, but if not there's nothing wrong with lower league football, it's Derby I pay to watch, not the opposition.
I'm a dreamer though.
Carnero reacted to jono in EFL appeal
This isn’t law making or law giving. It’s politics pure and simple. Lobbyists, polarised mindsets, unspoken agendas from numerous sources of power and influence. I’d almost feel sorry for the lawyers but they are making a pile of dough from the fall out from every party so maybe not !
FFP is all about stoping an unfair advantage .. ummmm well DFC started in the championship, are still in the championship and the majority of parachute clubs continue their existence in the yo-yo world that is the lower half of the prem along with the odd enforced break down with the rest of us lads in the championship. Except perhaps Middlesbrough who seem to have spent an awful lot of money with limited results.
this is tiresome in the extreme and is killing my love of this game.
Carnero reacted to Ghost of Clough in EFL appeal
You're wrong. If the numbers do come out as us failing 18/19, 19/20 , etc then I would expect new charges against us. However, my estimates suggest we'll be fine, and backed up by the 'noises' coming from the club.
16/17 is the period I'd be more concerned about (estimated £6m over the limit). But, with the EFL starting with 17/18, I can't see them going even further back.
Carnero reacted to Ghost of Clough in What will our punishment be?
I didn't think about that to be honest. It does seem like a reasonable assumption.
FYI, I think* KM got his figures from total potential fee - essentially he's put Thorne down as £3.5m whereas I put him down as £2.4m. (£2.4m initial fee backed up by the decision documents if you read between the lines). His £20m would also include promotion bonuses.
* I haven't gone through the accounts with a fine-tooth comb to be certain that's what he's done, but it seems plausible.
Carnero reacted to Ghost of Clough in What will our punishment be?
Any deduction is dependant on the outcome of recalculating the amortisation in the accounts.
Any deduction would have to be in the 21/22 season.
Any deduction can be reduced due to mitigating factors.
Any deduction will not be increased due to extenuating circumstances.
My estimate suggests we don't fail P&S in 17/18.
KM's estimate of £30m amortisation vs £21m for mine, suggests failing P&S by about £7.2m.
Based on KM's figure (worst case), we would be due a 6 point deduction.
Given the precedent set in the SW case of halving the penalty, it becomes 3 points instead.
Given the EFL's incompetence, that's reduced to 2 points.
Given the accountants on the DC panel thought we were compliant, reduced further to 1 point
Given we did not deliberately exceed the limits, rather we did everything we could to stay within them, 0 points deducted
Carnero reacted to LE_Ram in EFL appeal
Yep, and even if you discard the merits of each party's argument/interpretation, it's a bit pathetic that it's come to this really.
Derby could potentially be punished based on the fact that we interpreted a standard one way, and the witness the EFL found interpreted it another.
How does any of this help English Football? Why does the EFL find it necessary to appeal against the initial decision? Quite simply the EFL isn't fit for purpose.
Carnero reacted to RandomAccessMemory in EFL appeal
Just spotted this tweet from Alan Nixon, it appears he has a copy of the decision report. I wonder how he has that as they've not released it yet?
So, it appears it was the second particular, and that ONLY which the EFL won on appeal.
I don't understand how it can be impermissible to take into account the possible resale value of players when it clearly states in FRS 102, as mentioned in the original decision, that future economic benefits from the intangible asset include use OR disposal?
From the original report
So if it wasn't an unreliable pattern for the years under scrutiny, why do we have to use the straight-line method?
If we don't have to use the straight-line method, given the expected consumption of future economic benefits includes disposal, it shouldn't be impermissible to take into account the resale value, and it being the 'cost model' should make no difference.
Carnero reacted to SamUltraRam in EFL appeal
In the midst of all the effort the EFL have used to investigate us, what have they actually done that's useful to protect the 72 member clubs during the pandemic ?
I am astonished that we've reached the end of the season with none of the members going bust & that's no thanks to the EFL